Olivera was the heart of the deal, I would agree. But I also think the deal is scrapped if the draft pick isn't included. Draft picks are often undervalued by fans in baseball because the player doesn't make an immediate impact (if any at all) at the major league level. But I wold say that most 1st round picks are almost immediately among a team's top 10 prospects.
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Olivera was the heart of the deal, I would agree. But I also think the deal is scrapped if the draft pick isn't included. Draft picks are often undervalued by fans in baseball because the player doesn't make an immediate impact (if any at all) at the major league level. But I wold say that most 1st round picks are almost immediately among a team's top 10 prospects.
I don't think it would be scrapped. I just think Peraza and the minor leaguers from LA get removed from the deal.
I wasn't big on Peraza either BUT he was our #1 prospect. I liked Wood, and I understand their concerns with him BUT he was still a well regarded young pitcher at the time. Throw in the solid relievers and it was a package that could have gotten us one heck of a hitter. NOW, given how none of the players have done well, we can sqeek by and say with the draft pick it wasn't that bad of a deal....we GOT LUCKY. If Wood stayed healthy and Peraza suddenly clicked... this would have been in the Teixeira trade realm. They have done a good job of making lemonade, but come on...we could have gotten an established hitter for that package. Instead they took a huge gamble on a guy that was unproven to save money. Of all the trades, my jaw hit the ground when I found out what we had given up. I told myself that surely they know from inside knowledge that this guy is going to be a unreal hitter, because he HAS to be to justify what we gave up (at the time). This was a monumental BAD trade and anyone who says different by saying "well none of the players are good now", are drawing a pretty picture made from turds. Coppy even said as much. I'll never understand this trade...I hated it from the moment it was announced.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
source please, and what hitter?
Did you miss this past trade deadline?
What big hitter was traded?
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
What does that have to do with the situation when Peraza and Wood were traded? And what hitters are we talking about?
Did you see what kind of talent got returned for even meh pitching?
That the Braves sold low on Wood.
To be fair, this year's market didn't exist when we traded Alex Wood.
The bottom line is the Braves sold high on both Wood and Pereza, their value has gone down since we dealt them; they were CORRECT on those two!
The problem is they bought very high on Olivera and misjudged him horribly.
At the end of the day, Wentz could be the best player in this package which would make the deal come out alright in the end for the Braves.
Olivera had value at the time of that deal. The Dodgers didn't give him millions because they knew he was going to be terrible.
no, it was because they were dumb.
Haha, give it up dude.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
He did have value. I don't think he equaled the value that we gave up, but he was regarded as a good hitter.. much like Cubans who are getting 60+ million contracts. The biggest problem with the trade was the need for a 30 hitter. We were not close. Now we traded that hitter for a more expensive 30 year old hitter who is bad on defense. Hopefully there is more to the plan.. but I would have much rather traded Wood and Jose/JJ/Luis for more prospects or some combo of those names. But it is ignorant to say HO was a no value player.
By whom? Where had he shown this except in Cuba prior to 2013?
His play was poor, scouting reports were critical, and his health was a major concern.
The Braves knew all of this before they executed the trade.
I said that Atlanta traded value for non-value. Did Olivera provide the Braves any semblance of value?
Have Wood/Peraza provided value to date? Is it likely that they continue to provide value to their teams?
I agree with your premise, but Wood was injured this past deadline, so it likely wouldn't have mattered. We traded Wood at the right time, imo. It's just the overall return that makes its terrible. Hopefully Paco, Bird, or Wentz make this trade somewhat bearable.
Three cost effective major league players (one a young starting pitcher) and their #1 rated prospect. For a guy that hadn't played in MLB AND had a big contract. Yes, it is amazing anyone can defend this trade. Even the guy that made the trade said it was a monumental screw up.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I guess by the teams that bid for his services. and the fact that before the trade he hit very well in the Dodger's minor league system in a very small sample size.. but those were the only stats you could go by at that point since he didn't start sucking until he put on a Brave's uni
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
again that guy came with hype. much like Yulieski Gurriel. The Stros are taking a chance that he will pay off. The Braves were doing the same thing. Was it dumb, yes.. but it wasn't like they traded these guys for nothing..well he turned into nothing.