Extent Ender

mfree80 said:
I suspect that even in decline, 2/28 will be a real bargain for his 31 and 32 years. That is the age when declines begin, but experience compensates, making guys really good veteran players. Teams with veteran players like that are called winners.
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His first two FA years are his age 30-31 seasons. It will be a bargain compared to picking up a free agent in his 30s.

I think the strategic choice here is whether to supplement what the farm system produces by extenting guys like Ender for 1 or 2 years into their FA years or to supplement the farm with free agents. Or we could hope that that farm is so productive that no supplementing will be needed and we can go entirely with pre-free agency players. I think that's a tad optimistic. So the best option imo is to supplement by extenting younger players like Ender.
 
nsacpi said:
His first two FA years are his age 30-31 seasons. It will be a bargain compared to picking up a free agent in his 30s.

I think the strategic choice here is whether to supplement what the farm system produces by extenting guys like Ender for 1 or 2 years into their FA years or to supplement the farm with free agents. Or we could hope that that farm is so productive that no supplementing will be needed and we can go entirely with pre-free agency players. I think that's a tad optimistic. So the best option imo is to supplement by extenting younger players like Ender.
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If Ender is willing to sell his age 30 and/or 31 seasons for $10M each, I think it's a no-brainer to give him that deal. I have a feeling his agents will value those seasons at much more, probably $15M+. At that point I'm not sure it is worth paying that much for a defense-first guy who is well into his defensive decline phase.
 
Enscheff said:
If Ender is willing to sell his age 30 and/or 31 seasons for $10M each, I think it's a no-brainer to give him that deal. I have a feeling his agents will value those seasons at much more, probably $15M+. At that point I'm not sure it is worth paying that much for a defense-first guy who is well into his defensive decline phase.
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yeah, it obviously depends on price...15M is a little beyond what id be willing to do
 
Carp said:
Since when?

This year, you're more likely to find a 25 homer hitter than a player with 25 stolen bases.
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Since always. Besides he doesn't even steal bases at a good clip. Been caught 6 times with his 11 stolen bases. Sure he could steal 25 bases and take him 40 chances.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
Since always. Besides he doesn't even steal bases at a good clip. Been caught 6 times with his 11 stolen bases. Sure he could steal 25 bases and take him 40 chances.
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I don't know where you get your info from, but 25 steals is very good. Again, this year you are almost twice as likely to find a 25 homer player than a player with 25 stolen bases.

His success rate could be a concern, but often times for guys like him, their success rate tends to fluctuate (just like how he had an 86% success rate his rookie season).
 
Carp said:
I don't know where you get your info from, but 25 steals is very good. Again, this year you are almost twice as likely to find a 25 homer player than a player with 25 stolen bases.

His success rate could be a concern, but often times for guys like him, their success rate tends to fluctuate (just like how he had an 86% success rate his rookie season).
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Just ignore him
 
Carp said:
Since when?

This year, you're more likely to find a 25 homer hitter than a player with 25 stolen bases.
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Depends on the era, but currently 25 SBs would put a player in the top ten in all of baseball. From the mid-1970s to the early-1990s, 25 would rarely get a player into the top ten in either league, but defense against stealing with more concentration on the holding of runners and the transformation of catching into a very defensive-centric position has put a damper on the out-and-out running game.
 
Technically you could argue that while 25 is a relatively high number of steals, it's not an absolutely high number of steals. But if you argued that on a message board, you'd be a tool.
 
smootness said:
Technically you could argue that while 25 is a relatively high number of steals, it's not an absolutely high number of steals. But if you argued that on a message board, you'd be a tool.
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I think 25 is a solid number of steals.
 
50PoundHead said:
Depends on the era, but currently 25 SBs would put a player in the top ten in all of baseball. From the mid-1970s to the early-1990s, 25 would rarely get a player into the top ten in either league, but defense against stealing with more concentration on the holding of runners and the transformation of catching into a very defensive-centric position has put a damper on the out-and-out running game.
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I think the change in field construction materials has played a part too. When there were several stadiums using artificial turf the type player who made it to the ML was different. Guys who could bang the ball hard on the ground and leg out a single were more valuable then because of the conditions than they are now. Artificial turf encouraged speed, which in turn put more guys who were adept at the SB in the league. Teams like the Chicago Cubs combated the trend by letting their grass essentially grow into hay.

Now, with the number of parks with close OF fences, no turf and composite dirt the advantage is to the player who can put it over the fence. You still get the SB but the days of a team having 2-300 steals in a season are in the distant past.
 
nsacpi said:
His first two FA years are his age 30-31 seasons. It will be a bargain compared to picking up a free agent in his 30s.

I think the strategic choice here is whether to supplement what the farm system produces by extenting guys like Ender for 1 or 2 years into their FA years or to supplement the farm with free agents. Or we could hope that that farm is so productive that no supplementing will be needed and we can go entirely with pre-free agency players. I think that's a tad optimistic. So the best option imo is to supplement by extenting younger players like Ender.
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The Alternative isn't necessarily signing a veteran to a market value contract.

I'd let it roll with Ender and look to trade him or simply part ways when he gets expensive.

I don't think he's a core player.
 
Southcack77 said:
The Alternative isn't necessarily signing a veteran to a market value contract.

I'd let it roll with Ender and look to trade him or simply part ways when he gets expensive.

I don't think he's a core player.
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Which is some of the appeal with keeping Mallex unless the team can leverage him into something useful. He would still be on the team for 2 more seasons and would be fairly cheap compared to what you can get on the open market. To me the situation with Ender is simple. If you can get him to sign a super team friendly deal like JT did then do it. Other wise ride him out for the 4 years and thank him for his services. He's the type of player you want to maximize their value while being paid peanuts but not necessarily pay market value for in FA years.
 
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