If only WAR was a thing back then. Andruw 7.9 and Pujols 7.7
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If only WAR was a thing back then. Andruw 7.9 and Pujols 7.7
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
I see Andruw as an everyday player version of Sandy Koufax. He wasn't great for 20 years. But his star shined brightly for long enough.
We need to start a twitter campaign. Let's start an account called Andruw4HOF.
We start tweeting writers like Rosenthal, Gammons, Olney, Stark with Andruw facts. Like his WAR that year vs. Pujols. Or him having 3rd beSt WAR in a 10 year span behind two roiders. Or most DRS for a CF all time.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
That was one of the best seasons I have ever seen.
Its like whenever we needed a big hit we got a big homer or two by Andruw.
I still remember when he threw that runner out at home standing like 5 feet from the warning track in right center.
It was Andruw hitting his potential. What I guess most people expected yearly when he came up.
I was thinking about a game against the Nats in late Sept that year. It was the weekend Andruw broke the Braves HR record. Braves were up early but gave up like 5 runs in the bottom of the 8th. Chipper and Andruw went back to back in the top of the 9th with 2 outs to give the Braves the lead again. Glorious days.
Yep. That was at old RFK. I think Andruw hit upper deck.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
From an analytical standpoint, ANdruw should be in the HOF. When you compare him to his peers (95-2015) who was for sure better than him in that stretch?
A-Roids
Bonds
Pujols
Chipper
Jeter
That's about where I end it. The next group is guys like Druw, ROlen, Beltre, Thome, Beltran, Edmonds, Manny. Manny was on Roids and had no glove. Edmonds was inferior to Druw, Beltran could maybe pass ANdruw if he keeps playing, but he was outclassed by Druw when they played together., Thome is all bat so your valuation comes from that. Rolen and Beltre are IMO perfect comps to Druw. Above average but not great hitters, but amazing defensively. Druw gets the edge over them for me because he did it in CF which is a defensive first position while 3B is an offensive first position.
A-Roids
Bonds
Pujols
Chipper
Jeter
That's about where I end it. The next group is guys like Druw, ROlen, Beltre, Thome, Beltran, Edmonds, Manny. Manny was on Roids and had no glove. Edmonds was inferior to Druw, Beltran could maybe pass ANdruw if he keeps playing, but he was outclassed by Druw when they played together., Thome is all bat so your valuation comes from that. Rolen and Beltre are IMO perfect comps to Druw. Above average but not great hitters, but amazing defensively. Druw gets the edge over them for me because he did it in CF which is a defensive first position while 3B is an offensive first position.
What's interesting is they talked about Andruw signing with LA and going to other teams, and the people interviewed seem to think when Andruw left the Braves he lost his mojo. He had a bad year in 2007, but who knows if he was a Brave in 2008 if he would have trended back in the right direction.
Bobby said on the show that if Andruw was struggling at the plate, the next day's starting pitcher would come in to Bobby's office and ask if he was going to give Andruw an off day because he wanted Andruw's defense out there in center.
lol of course.....best ever
The Gold Gloves enhance the candidacy not define it.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/robinbr01.shtml
An MVP in '64 and led that year in RBI (defense usually has little to do with it, for better or worse) and 15 consecutive ASG appearances. Then he tended to come up BIG at the plate in the post-season during a period of time that everybody watched. Plus, he was another one who was immensely popular with fans and the media. Those are the kinds of things that catch voters' attention. He got in with 344/374 of the votes.
In the real HOF, they get in because of their offensive numbers.
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hof/hofstce.shtml
Didn't he have a degenerative knee condition? He was done
If Edmonds doesn't make the hall, no way Andruw Jones.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Explain Andre Dawson, Richie Ashburn, Ozzie Smith, Brooks Robinson, Phil Rizzuto, Pee Wee Reese, etc.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Yeah he had a knee issue. DOn't think it was degenerative, he just had worn knees from being over sized and over weight for CF.
Edmonds is a superior offensive CF, but Druw was vastly superior to him defensively. So if you take Edmonds over Druw it's for his bat, if you take Druw over Edmonds it's for his glove. They're effectively similar players. Edmonds also was much more likely to have taken steroids than ANdruw as his best seasons happened between 30 adn 34, when most players are on the decline, Andruw's peak was 23-29 which is much more common.
Steroids are the main reason anyone who should be in the hall or not.
Already explained Ozzie Smith and Brooks Robinson. Andre Dawson - NL MVP on a last place team and don't think that his selection was controversial. Every time this subject comes up, you keep rationalizing.
First of all, you should have come when Glavine, Maddux and Cox were inducted. If you haven't visited the physical museum, you need to at some point to soak in the history and then (since you're a numbers guy) find out how many total inductees there are vs. the total number of players who've appeared in an MLB game. That will put things in perspective.
This is just to prepare you for the disappoint that you're going to experience after you see the Andruw vote totals. Don't take my word for it though. It's been discussed. Just Google "andruw jones hall of fame" and see what what non-Braves fanboys have to say impartially.
VirginiaBrave
Well-known member
I personally think Chipper used in 1999. But so did nearly everybody else. I think the right person got in his ear at the right time and stopped it.
But defense does have a lot to do with that. Again what about his career or year to year offensive stats scream HOF? He had a nice run from 64-67 offensively but other then that he was pretty avg at best or worse the rest of the time.