John Schuerholz on Braves Banter Podcast

bravesfanMatt said:
They would most certainly give up Bregman for FF. He has proven he is legit hitter entering his prime. Bregman is riding a good year. he could just as easily fall off next year.

I also think Kemp adds good value to an AL team (like the Stros).. especially if he is very cheap. 30+ homers/100 RBIs are still valuable, regardless of what WAR says.

HH loves to make crazy trade ideas.. he has been doing it since I have joined. I don't think it is retarded to propose such trades even if they are lopsided either way. Just fans doing fanatical things.
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Thanks Matt.

I would like to point out to the ankle biters, as it is apparently necessary, that I said IN THE POST that I didn't think they would trade Freeman but that they should.

The post then drew the vague but definite criticism of "what in the..." with no explanation just insinuating that the idea was obviously deranged but with no counter argument of any kind (typical).

Then, LOL, one of the other know it all's, jumps on board (in a gaff of epic proportions without understanding which way the wind was really blowing) and says yeah "Horsehide has prospectitis) only to find out HORRORS! that he was on the wrong side of the witch burning. Serves him right.

Then we get the group mascot. The internet tough guy who broke away from masturbating in his mom's basement just long enough to spurt out his devalued 2 cents (again no substance to the discussion, just making sure to be seen and heard at the clubhouse).

Now, as for the idea. To say that Bregman wouldn't be traded straight up for Freeman is certainly possible, I guess, but it would be pretty short sighted on the part of the Astros (the Astros aren't the Pirates IMO). If the Astro's had no other option at 3B (or ss, or 2B) then I could see them hanging on the Bregman no matter what. But, right now, he is excess, they are on the cusp of competing for the next 3-4 years and could use two big middle of the lineup production bats.

IF the Braves were to trade Freeman (again IF as it is clear that they aren't) then there would need to be a minimum of three top prospects coming back for him. Bregman is obviously part of that. Tucker is a widely admired prospect who is still a long way away. He's top 100 but not top 50 right now (52 on MLB pipeline). Reed is a 1B prospect with a lot of questions. In the SSS he has had at the ML level he has failed.

AS for the Kemp part, he's a 30 HR RH bat, who's defensive liabilities are hidden if he plays DH. If the Braves pay most of his salary they should be able to get two reasonable prospects back. Fisher is #6 on the Astros list and Celestino is #15 (and in rookie ball).

Again, for those with beady eyes and closed minds, I DO NOT think the Braves will trade Freeman. However, I strongly think they should because I think he would return a lot of talent that would be likely to help the team over the next 6-10 years (those acquired would not hit the majors all at the same time) and I think keeping Freeman will waste his peak years during a time when the Braves are in play-pretend mode of competing instead of being realistically positioned to compete.

But the Braves won't trade Freeman (and probably can't due to placating the local politicians and business owners who don't want to open the new stadium with an obvious AAAA team (not obvious would be OK)).
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Thanks Matt.

I would like to point out to the ankle biters, as it is apparently necessary, that I said IN THE POST that I didn't think they would trade Freeman but that they should.

The post then drew the vague but definite criticism of "what in the..." with no explanation just insinuating that the idea was obviously deranged but with no counter argument of any kind (typical).

Then, LOL, one of the other know it all's, jumps on board (in a gaff of epic proportions without understanding which way the wind was really blowing) and says yeah "Horsehide has prospectitis) only to find out HORRORS! that he was on the wrong side of the witch burning. Serves him right.

Then we get the group mascot. The internet tough guy who broke away from masturbating in his mom's basement just long enough to spurt out his devalued 2 cents (again no substance to the discussion, just making sure to be seen and heard at the clubhouse).

Now, as for the idea. To say that Bregman wouldn't be traded straight up for Freeman is certainly possible, I guess, but it would be pretty short sighted on the part of the Astros (the Astros aren't the Pirates IMO). If the Astro's had no other option at 3B (or ss, or 2B) then I could see them hanging on the Bregman no matter what. But, right now, he is excess, they are on the cusp of competing for the next 3-4 years and could use two big middle of the lineup production bats.

IF the Braves were to trade Freeman (again IF as it is clear that they aren't) then there would need to be a minimum of three top prospects coming back for him. Bregman is obviously part of that. Tucker is a widely admired prospect who is still a long way away. He's top 100 but not top 50 right now (52 on MLB pipeline). Reed is a 1B prospect with a lot of questions. In the SSS he has had at the ML level he has failed.

AS for the Kemp part, he's a 30 HR RH bat, who's defensive liabilities are hidden if he plays DH. If the Braves pay most of his salary they should be able to get two reasonable prospects back. Fisher is #6 on the Astros list and Celestino is #15 (and in rookie ball).

Again, for those with beady eyes and closed minds, I DO NOT think the Braves will trade Freeman. However, I strongly think they should because I think he would return a lot of talent that would be likely to help the team over the next 6-10 years (those acquired would not hit the majors all at the same time) and I think keeping Freeman will waste his peak years during a time when the Braves are in play-pretend mode of competing instead of being realistically positioned to compete.

But the Braves won't trade Freeman (and probably can't due to placating the local politicians and business owners who don't want to open the new stadium with an obvious AAAA team (not obvious would be OK)).
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If you wondered why I didn't offer more of an explanation in my first response, your above post should clue you on as to why.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Thanks Matt.

I would like to point out to the ankle biters, as it is apparently necessary, that I said IN THE POST that I didn't think they would trade Freeman but that they should.

The post then drew the vague but definite criticism of "what in the..." with no explanation just insinuating that the idea was obviously deranged but with no counter argument of any kind (typical).

Then, LOL, one of the other know it all's, jumps on board (in a gaff of epic proportions without understanding which way the wind was really blowing) and says yeah "Horsehide has prospectitis) only to find out HORRORS! that he was on the wrong side of the witch burning. Serves him right.

Then we get the group mascot. The internet tough guy who broke away from masturbating in his mom's basement just long enough to spurt out his devalued 2 cents (again no substance to the discussion, just making sure to be seen and heard at the clubhouse).

Now, as for the idea. To say that Bregman wouldn't be traded straight up for Freeman is certainly possible, I guess, but it would be pretty short sighted on the part of the Astros (the Astros aren't the Pirates IMO). If the Astro's had no other option at 3B (or ss, or 2B) then I could see them hanging on the Bregman no matter what. But, right now, he is excess, they are on the cusp of competing for the next 3-4 years and could use two big middle of the lineup production bats.

IF the Braves were to trade Freeman (again IF as it is clear that they aren't) then there would need to be a minimum of three top prospects coming back for him. Bregman is obviously part of that. Tucker is a widely admired prospect who is still a long way away. He's top 100 but not top 50 right now (52 on MLB pipeline). Reed is a 1B prospect with a lot of questions. In the SSS he has had at the ML level he has failed.

AS for the Kemp part, he's a 30 HR RH bat, who's defensive liabilities are hidden if he plays DH. If the Braves pay most of his salary they should be able to get two reasonable prospects back. Fisher is #6 on the Astros list and Celestino is #15 (and in rookie ball).

Again, for those with beady eyes and closed minds, I DO NOT think the Braves will trade Freeman. However, I strongly think they should because I think he would return a lot of talent that would be likely to help the team over the next 6-10 years (those acquired would not hit the majors all at the same time) and I think keeping Freeman will waste his peak years during a time when the Braves are in play-pretend mode of competing instead of being realistically positioned to compete.

But the Braves won't trade Freeman (and probably can't due to placating the local politicians and business owners who don't want to open the new stadium with an obvious AAAA team (not obvious would be OK)).
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Horsehair, it's your post length. When I see your name, I just know that you have a PLP+ Of 140 (post length probability, scaled to a site poster average of 100).

Less words, more comprehension. Pretend we've all got ADD.

Hell, half of us probably do have ADD.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Horsehair, it's your post length. When I see your name, I just know that you have a PLP+ Of 140 (post length probability, scaled to a site poster average of 100).

Less words, more comprehension. Pretend we've all got ADD.

Hell, half of us probably do have ADD.
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Understood. I used one post to address 5 or 6 different things. Probably should have broke it down into 5 or 6 individual posts.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Cool. A lot of what you have to say is good stuff, even if some folks disagree with you from time to time.
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I appreciate it. I certainly don't claim to be right all the time. And, I am also certainly willing to admit when I am wrong instead of re-trenching, which I think some people have a hard time doing. People have a right to disagree and they may be right in doing so. But proclamation isn't proof nor dialog.
 
I would be pissed if the Braves traded FF for Bregman straight up. Prospects are nice and fun, but they are still just Prospects. FF is ~expensive, but very proven.. Bregman couldn't hold FF jock strap right now. And yes, I do think he will be a good player.. but the key word is THINK.. We all KNOW FF is a good player. no chance I give that up on a kid riding a 1 year great season.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I would be pissed if the Braves traded FF for Bregman straight up. Prospects are nice and fun, but they are still just Prospects. FF is ~expensive, but very proven.. Bregman couldn't hold FF jock strap right now. And yes, I do think he will be a good player.. but the key word is THINK.. We all KNOW FF is a good player. no chance I give that up on a kid riding a 1 year great season.
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I wouldn't either. But I would for three guys I think could help. Moving Freeman could bring three useful players (maybe one or two future stars), and you free his obligated money which would allow you to add through FA or locking up young talent long term or both. The downside is that it hurts the competitive ability of the team in the short term, and the potential downside is that you whiff on the prospects you get and are frivolously bad spending the money saved.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I would be pissed if the Braves traded FF for Bregman straight up. Prospects are nice and fun, but they are still just Prospects. FF is ~expensive, but very proven.. Bregman couldn't hold FF jock strap right now. And yes, I do think he will be a good player.. but the key word is THINK.. We all KNOW FF is a good player. no chance I give that up on a kid riding a 1 year great season.
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And this is fine. I'm just saying, don't expect the Astros to be willing to do it.

Bregman is a guy fully capable of being a 7-8+ WAR guy very soon, and the Astros have him for 6 cheap years.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
They would most certainly give up Bregman for FF. He has proven he is legit hitter entering his prime. Bregman is riding a good year. he could just as easily fall off next year.

I also think Kemp adds good value to an AL team (like the Stros).. especially if he is very cheap. 30+ homers/100 RBIs are still valuable, regardless of what WAR says.

HH loves to make crazy trade ideas.. he has been doing it since I have joined. I don't think it is retarded to propose such trades even if they are lopsided either way. Just fans doing fanatical things.
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It was a movie quote... I wasn't actually calling him retarded
 
Here's the thing. Freeman has broken out this year and has turned into an elite first baseman instead of a very good first baseman. This is a team that desperately needs an elite player and now we have it for a very cheap price for several more years. You're trading a big power guy for a prospect who may or may not have power in the end (Bregman was never supposed to be a big power guy... more of a contact guy with some pop)... and with the rest of your package, you are replacing FF at first with a guy who has failed miserably at the MLB level and has shown no promising signs of getting it, and another prospect who may or may not pan out. You're trading a sure thing, elite player at a cornerstone position as a cheap price for a bunch of question marks when we're really not that far off from competing with better pitching and a FA/trade or two. If you trade Freeman and Kemp for those 3 players, you are setting the rebuild back about 3-4 more years.
 
smootness said:
And this is fine. I'm just saying, don't expect the Astros to be willing to do it.

Bregman is a guy fully capable of being a 7-8+ WAR guy very soon, and the Astros have him for 6 cheap years.
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I can agree. they are in a good position with him.. because they have him.. just like us with Dansby or other top prospects. For what it would take to get one away from us, those fans would be pissed...

unless you are the Dback FO..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I can agree. they are in a good position with him.. because they have him.. just like us with Dansby or other top prospects. For what it would take to get one away from us, those fans would be pissed...

unless you are the Dback FO..
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I'm looking forward to see Anfernee Grier in the Braves system next year
 
smootness said:
And this is fine. I'm just saying, don't expect the Astros to be willing to do it.

Bregman is a guy fully capable of being a 7-8+ WAR guy very soon, and the Astros have him for 6 cheap years.
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7-8 WAR? I mean, it's possible, but you're predicting he'll be a top-10 hitter. That's rather lofty. fWAR only had 5 hitters at 7+ WAR last year. bWAR had more, but still. Cano has been over 7 bWAR 3x in his career. It's tough to say a guy will ever reach that. He may do it once or twice. Maybe.
 
yeezus said:
7-8 WAR? I mean, it's possible, but you're predicting he'll be a top-10 hitter. That's rather lofty. fWAR only had 5 hitters at 7+ WAR last year. bWAR had more, but still. Cano has been over 7 bWAR 3x in his career. It's tough to say a guy will ever reach that. He may do it once or twice. Maybe.
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I think us Braves fans are enamored with prospects right now because that is the future of our org... it is easy to get caught up in potential over production.. Where the hell is Niner when you really need him?!:?
 
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