Hillary vs. Trump, 2016 Presidential Debates

[sturg33]

was it me that said she " made good points on the economy? "
without really making any points -

actually a number of times she told people to go to her web site to read her plans.

And, there they are
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Uhh... he made good points. I.e., it's silly that we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Allow our companies to bring their money back. That's a point - and it's a good one, IMO.

He made the point that Hilary and her ilk have created a beaurocratic nightmare when it comes to regulations on small businesses.

He made the point that our national debt is out of control. That our economy is a fed induced bubble thanks to artifically low interest rates.

These are "points" that I was referring to.

Then you asked for detailed plans to address them.

Then I said I don't think either candidate ever provided that.

All caught up?

 

[Hawk]

Democrats had open dialog with N Korea until Bush 43 cut off communication. The situation rapidly deteriorated

Secondly, suppose for a minute Trump did win and those same remarks at the UN or at a G8 meeting or NATO Conference

Thirdly- if a politician at this level needs handlers (or baseball message board posters for that matter) come back to explain - if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is not a Giraffe

It sounds like you need to tap into Hillary Clinton's digital fact-checker.

- George W. Bush didn't 'cut off' communication with the North Koreans. His administration determined that Pyongyang was still enriching uranium - which the United States was essentially paying for - and walked away from the deal. Barack Obama spent eight years sitting on his hands with respect to the Korean Peninsula (and, really, internationally in general) and now we have a nation, led by a psychotic megalomaniac, that's in full possession of nuclear technology (and weapons) ... and also happens to be cash/resource/attention starved. If that doesn't scare you, it should.

- What would happen? Here's a novel thought ... they might actually agree (link) and change course.

- I'm not really explaining anything, I'm just preventing you from jumping to frenzied claims.

 

[zitothebrave]

That's a pretty solid destruction of steaksauce.

 

[AerchAngel]

was it me that said she " made good points on the economy? "

without really making any points -

actually a number of times she told people to go to her web site to read her plans.

And, there they are

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Actually, if she told you to go sit in the corner, put your hands in your mouth and suck your thumb while your nose in a circle for 30 minutes you would.

Seriously, something is wrong with you. It seems like someone is actually controlling your posting. No original thought whatsoever, like a Democrat planned robot.

 

[57Brave]

It sounds like you need to tap into Hillary Clinton's digital fact-checker.

- George W. Bush didn't 'cut off' communication with the North Koreans. His administration determined that Pyongyang was still enriching uranium - which the United States was essentially paying for - and walked away from the deal. Barack Obama spent eight years sitting on his hands with respect to the Korean Peninsula (and, really, internationally in general) and now we have a nation, led by a psychotic megalomaniac, that's in full possession of nuclear technology (and weapons) ... and also happens to be cash/resource/attention starved. If that doesn't scare you, it should.

- What would happen? Here's a novel thought ... they might actually agree (link) and change course.

- I'm not really explaining anything, I'm just preventing you from jumping to frenzied claims.

Bush 43 didn't cut off talks, he walked away from talks.

Do I read that right ?

 

[57Brave]

Uhh... he made good points. I.e., it's silly that we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Allow our companies to bring their money back. That's a point - and it's a good one, IMO.

He made the point that Hilary and her ilk have created a beaurocratic nightmare when it comes to regulations on small businesses.

He made the point that our national debt is out of control. That our economy is a fed induced bubble thanks to artifically low interest rates.

These are "points" that I was referring to.

Then you asked for detailed plans to address them.

Then I said I don't think either candidate ever provided that.

All caught up?

He identify ed problems, had no solution to said problems but castigated his opponent for not having answers to problems he identifies but has no solutions to

If trade is his signature issue wouldn't it stand to reason he had a plan in place ?

Or does he get ax pass for merely yelling FIRE

 

[sturg33]

He identify ed problems, had no solution to said problems but castigated his opponent for not having answers to problems he identifies but has no solutions to

If trade is his signature issue wouldn't it stand to reason he had a plan in place ?
Or does he get ax pass for merely yelling FIRE

LOL you asked me which points I was referring to.

Of course he has no plan as he is a clown. But at least he can point out that bringing back trillions of overseas dollars would be a good thing. Hilary doesn't understand this.

It seems Hilary's plan is to tax the rich... bc you know, math is hard

 

[Hawk]

Bush 43 didn't cut off talks, he walked away from talks.
Do I read that right ?

No, you don't.

I said he walked away from the deal. The one that Clinton agreed to (outside of Congress - like the Obama Tehran pact) which Pyongyang promptly ignored, continuing to enrich uranium despite receiving 500,000 tons of free crude oil per year from the USA ... early 2000s value, mind you ... and getting clean nuclear tech/equipment from South Korea and Japan.

Talk about having your cake and eating it too.

Plus - free Michael Jordan autographed basketballs.

 

[57Brave]

your question was
" Why don't the Democrats ever want to talk about North Korea? "

The record is the record
Clinton42 had dialog with N Korea that ended with the Bush Administration

Whether we agree with a deal or not

 

[57Brave]

LOL you asked me which points I was referring to.

But at least he can point out that bringing back trillions of overseas dollars would be a good thing.

duh

and stop illegal immigration

and the law and order thing
......

now with whispers Johnson is dropping out - guessing here you are firmly in the Trump camp.
You know Trump mentioned the Fed and the Gold Standard and the rest of those (L) dog whistles

15-20 of you

 

[Hawk]

your question was
" Why don't the Democrats ever want to talk about North Korea? "

Yes, I meant contemporarily speaking - seeing as our Democratic leadership hasn't done (or really even said outside of basic condemnations of nuclear tests) a thing about the DPRK in 8 years. The last time anything notable happened diplomatically in North Korea was when Bill Richardson was relevant.

I guess I need should employ a handler to clarify my words to you as well.

Any takers? I don't shaft my employees.

The record is the record
Clinton42 had dialog with N Korea that ended with the Bush Administration

It's hard to have this discussion with you when you refuse to acquaint yourself with the facts.

- Clinton had dialogue which morphed into a deal.
- Bush found KJI to be violating the deal, so he nixed it.
- The Bush administration then attempted to renegotiate a new deal, but the North Koreans already had nuclear technology and didn't see the benefits (perhaps because they had already maxed them out).
- Nothing has been done since.

Whether we agree with a deal or not

Whether or not I agree/disagree with the parameters of the original deal (which, for the record, was panned just as largely as the Iran deal has been) doesn't matter. What matters is that this is an issue that Democrats have been hiding from for 8 years. I found it amusing that you called out Trump for his response, which was defending a course of action (forcing China to involve itself more in defusing the North Korean time bomb) that many pragmatic foreign policy wonks on the left and the right agree with. I'd be curious to hear what your suggested solution is, and if you support a continuation of the Obama doctrine as it pertains to the Koreas.

 

[57Brave]

The only opinion I have on N Korea is it is not a good idea to hint " China should go into North Korea "

The Bush Administration had a crack foreign policy team that made many tremendous decisions.
Thinking here if they said the N Korea deal was a bad deal we should assume the opposite was true.

They lit another match walked away and left baseball board posters to wonder why (D) hasn't cleaned up their mess.

We don't know the deal was good or not.
But, those were the last talks we had with N Korea

Actually, Bill Clinton went to N Korea in 2009
Google is your friend

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary...orean-nuclear-threat-not-unconnected-to-isis/

 

[sturg33]

duh

and stop illegal immigration

and the law and order thing
......

now with whispers Johnson is dropping out - guessing here you are firmly in the Trump camp.
You know Trump mentioned the Fed and the Gold Standard and the rest of those (L) dog whistles

15-20 of you

LOL you are so ****ing stupid

 

[57Brave]

you are defending Donald Trump and I am stupid
gotcha

 

[sturg33]

you are defending Donald Trump and I am stupid
gotcha

So you physically cannot acknowledge someone said something you agree with without supporting that person?

I supported a lot of what Obama said... of course he didn't act on any of it.

Trump probably same thing. He is a clown.

But at least he may understand some math... which is refreshing these days.

 

[sturg33]

I heard Donald Trump describing a country I don’t recognize, and I heard Hillary Clinton writing checks we can’t possibly cash.

I suspect a great many of the millions who watched the debate did so in the hope that they would be inspired. With the possible exception of partisans on the extremes, I also suspect they were disappointed.

Americans don’t want their children and grandchildren to inherit a $20 trillion debt, and they didn’t hear anything [last night] that will keep that from happening. Ms. Clinton and Mr. Trump are afraid to tell the truth about spending. It’s easier to just promise more of it and send the next generation the tab.

Americans believe in the Constitution and the protections it’s supposed to provide. Mr. Trump appears willing to ‘frisk’ those protections away if they get in the way of his version of fixing things. There was a time when Republicans believed in free trade and creating jobs through growth, not protectionism. What happened to that?

Our military men and women and their families deserve leadership they can trust to not send them into harm’s way to intervene in conflicts they can’t possibly resolve and which may or may not have a clear U.S. interest. They didn’t get any reassurance [last night]. Americans want our military to protect us, not put their lives on the line to chase someone’s agenda.

We deserve better, but what we saw [last night] was a promise that the bickering, the pandering and the polarization will continue. America is already great. It’s great leaders we are lacking, and I don’t think we found them on the stage [last night].

Maybe that's why Google searches for Gary Johnson are off the charts right now.

-Gov. Gary Johnson

 

[50PoundHead]

Uhh... he made good points. I.e., it's silly that we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Allow our companies to bring their money back. That's a point - and it's a good one, IMO.

He made the point that Hilary and her ilk have created a beaurocratic nightmare when it comes to regulations on small businesses.

He made the point that our national debt is out of control. That our economy is a fed induced bubble thanks to artifically low interest rates.

These are "points" that I was referring to.

Then you asked for detailed plans to address them.

Then I said I don't think either candidate ever provided that.

All caught up?

The marginal rate is high because the base is relatively narrow compared to other developed countries. The effective tax rate is much closer to the average worldwide and below a number of countries. I'm all for broadening the base and lowering the rate because the current system doesn't promote horizontal equity (like companies in terms of profit being treated in the same manner) due to various tax breaks. What I find ironic here is that Trump has likely benefited from the current system of loopholes more than the average business. If that's the case, good luck getting that changed with him in the White House.

 

[Hawk]

The only opinion I have on N Korea is it is not a good idea to hint " China should go into North Korea "

Well, at least you are willing to admit it is simply your opinion - because it is a foreign policy strategy embraced by many, including the South Koreans.

The Bush Administration had a crack foreign policy team that made many tremendous decisions.
Thinking here if they said the N Korea deal was a bad deal we should assume the opposite was true.

They didn't say it was a bad deal. The deal revealed its true colors when it collapsed on itself ... when North Korea violated the terms ... and then bragged about doing it when confronted ...

They lit another match walked away and left baseball board posters to wonder why (D) hasn't cleaned up their mess.

You've about worn the gibe about 'baseball board posters' ... it's like your poker tell.

We don't know the deal was good or not.

Are you serious? The deal didn't work. It was toothless - rotten to the core.

But, those were the last talks we had with N Korea
Actually, Bill Clinton went to N Korea in 2009
Google is your friend

Google is definitely your friend - especially when you know how to use it properly. Clinton visited to facilitate the freeing of journalists - not to engage in diplomatic talks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary...orean-nuclear-threat-not-unconnected-to-isis/

So, here we are, at the root of it all ... as if history wasn't the most dubious indicator to go on ... back to square one in what will probably amount to an attempt to fete KJU into giving up his nukes.

It's well-known that he loves Emmenthaler cheese (so much so that the weight he gained from its consumption supposedly caused him to fracture a leg). Maybe Hillary can ship over a few crates.

Better yet, maybe John Kerry could take him out to dinner.

 

[Oklahomahawk]

The marginal rate is high because the base is relatively narrow compared to other developed countries. The effective tax rate is much closer to the average worldwide and below a number of countries. I'm all for broadening the base and lowering the rate because the current system doesn't promote horizontal equity (like companies in terms of profit being treated in the same manner) due to various tax breaks. What I find ironic here is that Trump has likely benefited from the current system of loopholes more than the average business. If that's the case, good luck getting that changed with him in the White House.

And imagine if any of those SOBs actually paid it!!! I wonder how that would affect all those statistics?

 

[Oklahomahawk]

Well, at least you are willing to admit it is simply your opinion - because it is a foreign policy strategy embraced by many, including the South Koreans.

They didn't say it was a bad deal. The deal revealed its true colors when it collapsed on itself ... when North Korea violated the terms ... and then bragged about doing it when confronted ...

You've about worn the gibe about 'baseball board posters' ... it's like your poker tell.

Are you serious? The deal didn't work. It was toothless - rotten to the core.

Google is definitely your friend - especially when you know how to use it properly. Clinton visited to facilitate the freeing of journalists - not to engage in diplomatic talks.

So, here we are, at the root of it all ... as if history wasn't the most dubious indicator to go on ... back to square one in what will probably amount to an attempt to fete KJU into giving up his nukes.

It's well-known that he loves Emmenthaler cheese (so much so that the weight he gained from its consumption supposedly caused him to fracture a leg). Maybe Hillary can ship over a few crates.

Better yet, maybe John Kerry could take him out to dinner.

I realize that I don't who all these guys are like you all do. My generation of homicidal psychopaths are mostly gone now, but who is this dude? He looks a little bit like Assad of Syria to me but again my political TMZ skills ain't what they used to be.