Bradley Manning Statement After Verdict

gilesfan said:
I live 15 minutes from the largest navy base in the world. Also probably half of the countries Navy Seals (split between SD and Va Beach) live in the area and I am friends with several of them. I know a guy that spent 6 months living in Sadaams palace.
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I'd imagine Navy Seals are more disciplined.

Speaking of which, do you think the Navy Seal that had a sex and identity change a while ago has mental issues?
 
gilesfan said:
But, the muslims only do it to USA because of bombs, right?

The London attack was the day after they were awarded the summer olympics. That likely had somehting to do with it.
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Not only because of bombs, but if you look at a lot of their recruiting stuff, a lot of it has to do with the fact the US has bombed so many arab countries and shoved it under the rug for years.

Also our association with Israel doesn't help either.

THese radical extremists hate western and modern civilization. Guess who are the leaders of said civilization?
 
gilesfan said:
But, the muslims only do it to USA because of bombs, right?

The London attack was the day after they were awarded the summer olympics. That likely had somehting to do with it.
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Its a joke that some people actually think that. Sure, bombing these places aren't helping our diplomatic ties but there was no repairing the damage thats been done for over a thousand years.
 
KeithLockhart said:
Not only because of bombs, but if you look at a lot of their recruiting stuff, a lot of it has to do with the fact the US has bombed so many arab countries and shoved it under the rug for years.

Also our association with Israel doesn't help either.

THese radical extremists hate western and modern civilization. Guess who are the leaders of said civilization?
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That is the issue and has been the central issue for a long long time.
 
gilesfan said:
Why do the radicals in the Middle East terrorize other countries besides USA that have not bombed them or participated in any bombings/war?

Let's see how you skirt that question.
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define "not participated"

cause every single one of that list you posted is/was allies

and i would argue that they participated in some capacity

actions have consequences. my parents taught me that many moons ago and they didn't have to teach me that going and blowing up a country and killing family and friends gets people pissed off and want to do the same back
 
thethe said:
there was no repairing the damage thats been done
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jpx7 said:
Well then we disagree. And since this is issue – defining innocent civilians as "collateral damage" – is hardly one where absolutes are appropriate, I find your your usage of the term "absolutely" to be what's really absurd here; it might be your opinion that "attaching the word murder to collateral damage due to mistaken identity in war is absurd," but it's hardly "absolute" fact.

Moreover: even if "murder" isn't the appropriate term, surely disastrous and mortal mistakes deserve some prosecution and punishment, even if it's not commensurate with punishment for true "murder."
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I wasn't stating my opinion was absolute. I was stating the idea that the statement you quoted was the most salient point was absolutely not a salient point. Mainly because the point made assumes murder.

And stating that all collateral damage and mistakes in war that lead to tragedy should be prosecuted might be one of the silliest things I've read on this board, no matter how well it's written.
 
goldfly said:
no

it hasn't

unless you think a long long time is like 60 years
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Then we will always disagree. Radical Muslims hating western culture is not new.

The group in Nigeria "Boko Haram" literally translates to Western culture is sinful. Are you kidding me that they haven't hated us for a long time.
 
weso1 said:
And stating that all collateral damage and mistakes in war that lead to tragedy should be prosecuted might be one of the silliest things I've read on this board, no matter how well it's written.
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Well I guess it's a real banner day for you, then.

Seems like you're only into accountability domestically.
 
all this collateral damage talk in war... truthfully,

we're not even at war. I don't remember any congress declaring war on anyone, do you?
 
weso1 said:
And stating that all collateral damage and mistakes in war that lead to tragedy should be prosecuted might be one of the silliest things I've read on this board, no matter how well it's written.
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thethe said:
Then we will always disagree. Radical Muslims hating western culture is not new.

The group in Nigeria "Boko Haram" literally translates to Western culture is sinful. Are you kidding me that they haven't hated us for a long time.
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long time is about as vague as you can get
 
thethe said:
Being vague is your specialty isn't it?

IF you honestly believe that they have hated us for just 60 years then there is nothing left to discuss.
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you did read what you you bolded and replied to that had me reply to you, right?

"THese radical extremists hate western and modern civilization."
 
sturg33 said:
thethe, when and why did they start hating USA
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The USA is an extension of Western European culture. It would be impossible to give a date of when they started hating us and you know it. The easy date would be during the many crusades. I believe it was even before that but how about that as a starting point?
 
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