DH Coming to the NL?

I understand that completely. I grew up on NL ball and for the longest time have preferred it. Lately however it just upsets me to see a rally thwarted because it's the pitchers turn at bat.

Depends on whether it is our rally thwarted or the other teams. The strategy of working around the pitcher in your line-up and the other teams line-up makes the game much more interesting, and adds several layers of decisions and potential outcomes.
 
Are you talking about for every game during the season? That's somewhat intriguing, though likely never going to happen.

But how would you enforce the requirement on a certain number of DH/non-DH games? If half a team's games are out of its control?

Every game.

Good question on the games requirement. I haven't thought that through, but it could be a very low number.
 
I understand that completely. I grew up on NL ball and for the longest time have preferred it. Lately however it just upsets me to see a rally thwarted because it's the pitchers turn at bat.

Well, it probably doesn't if its the Braves on the mound.... Or the pitcher could work on hitting. Or the manager could pinch hit for the pitcher in the rally.
 
I get that, but to me it's just part of baseball. If a team doesn't want that to happen, then find pitchers who can hit. I just hate that the DH was ever adopted in the AL because now the easy answer is just, 'Let's add the DH.' And we know it's not going anywhere in the AL, which makes it inevitable to eventually come to the NL.

How long are AL games vs. NL? Anyone know? AL games seem to last forever.
 
Ok. Well, by that measure, the AL has also won 19 of the last 32 WS, 14 of the last 24, 10 of the last 18, etc.

By pretty much any measure, the AL has been a better league than the NL. Maybe not by a ton, but the evidence is there.

That's not a reason for uniformity. Think about Waino, Madbum, and Arietta. There is no reason young pitchers can't be developed into at least doubles hitters. If they are bought up being allowed to hit and play other positions. If we can keep the DH out of the NL Blair will be a good hitter given time.
 
How long are AL games vs. NL? Anyone know? AL games seem to last forever.

They are the same duration within a few seconds. It doesn't take any more/less pitches for a DH to bat than it does for a pitcher to K or bunt.

The long AL games fallacy mostly stems from insanely long games between the BoSox and Yanks.
 
That's not a reason for uniformity. Think about Waino, Madbum, and Arietta. There is no reason young pitchers can't be developed into at least doubles hitters. If they are bought up being allowed to hit and play other positions. If we can keep the DH out of the NL Blair will be a good hitter given time.

Haha, nice!

You just can't wrap your head around small sample size issues can you? That would explain why you think one league having a quantified advantage over the other league is OK because sometimes the disadvantaged league wins in spite of the rules being against them. Like how there is no racism in the country because there are successful black people.

I think I get it now. It's like having a discussion about the economy with someone who thinks they can relate the federal budget to a household budget, or with the guy that thinks doubling the minimum wage will double the cost of fast food, or with the guy that thinks getting a raise that bumps you into a higher tax bracket could actually force you to take home less money because he doesn't understand how marginal tax rates work.

There is a lack of fundamental knowledge that makes a rational discussion impossible. So that means it's time to stop.
 
Haha, nice!

You just can't wrap your head around small sample size issues can you? That would explain why you think one league having a quantified advantage over the other league is OK because sometimes the disadvantaged league wins in spite of the rules being against them. Like how there is no racism in the country because there are successful black people.

I think I get it now. It's like having a discussion about the economy with someone who thinks they can relate the federal budget to a household budget, or with the guy that thinks doubling the minimum wage will double the cost of fast food, or with the guy that thinks getting a raise that bumps you into a higher tax bracket could actually force you to take home less money because he doesn't understand how marginal tax rates work.

There is a lack of fundamental knowledge that makes a rational discussion impossible. So that means it's time to stop.

Its not a lack of fundamental knowledge. Its hate of DH and change without reason for it. And I just don't accept your rationale because you can't tell every story with numbers. Your not going to win this argument.
 
That's not a reason for uniformity. Think about Waino, Madbum, and Arietta. There is no reason young pitchers can't be developed into at least doubles hitters. If they are bought up being allowed to hit and play other positions. If we can keep the DH out of the NL Blair will be a good hitter given time.

Past history says time is a negative for a pitcher's offense, not a positive.

And while trying to find a pitcher who can hit could give NL teams an advantage against other NL teams and against AL teams at home, the AL team still has the advantage in AL parks.
 
Haha, nice!

You just can't wrap your head around small sample size issues can you? That would explain why you think one league having a quantified advantage over the other league is OK because sometimes the disadvantaged league wins in spite of the rules being against them. Like how there is no racism in the country because there are successful black people.

I think I get it now. It's like having a discussion about the economy with someone who thinks they can relate the federal budget to a household budget, or with the guy that thinks doubling the minimum wage will double the cost of fast food, or with the guy that thinks getting a raise that bumps you into a higher tax bracket could actually force you to take home less money because he doesn't understand how marginal tax rates work.

There is a lack of fundamental knowledge that makes a rational discussion impossible. So that means it's time to stop.

Goodness, you can be a tool.
 
I just can't stomach watching a pitcher lay down a ****ty bunt 3 times a game, if he's fortunate. The rest of the game he's an automatic strikeout.

These outcomes don't happen nearly as many times as you make it out to be. And many pitchers tend to be pretty good at bunting, seeing as that is what they are required to do very frequently.
 
Ok. Well, by that measure, the AL has also won 19 of the last 32 WS, 14 of the last 24, 10 of the last 18, etc.

By pretty much any measure, the AL has been a better league than the NL. Maybe not by a ton, but the evidence is there.

These numbers are so random. 32, 24, and 18.... and it's within a few games of variation. The AL is hardly a much better league than the NL.

The NL has won 6 of the last 10. Proof the NL is the better league.
 
These numbers are so random. 32, 24, and 18.... and it's within a few games of variation. The AL is hardly a much better league than the NL.

The NL has won 6 of the last 10. Proof the NL is the better league.

Sure it's not definitive proof. But he claimed that the World Series was all that mattered, so I was just showing that over time, they've won more of those, too. It's pretty hard to find a measure that backs the NL being as good.
 
he's constantly trying to flex his internet muscles. bizarre.

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Sure it's not definitive proof. But he claimed that the World Series was all that mattered, so I was just showing that over time, they've won more of those, too. It's pretty hard to find a measure that backs the NL being as good.

Well historically, that can mostly be attributed to the Yankees, who had the most money and took advantage of the system in the pre-free agency days. Since free agency started in 1976, the record is 21-18 in favor of the AL. But 3 more WS wins is hardly enough to say the AL has been dominant.
 
f the DH.

but seriously, how can an AL team complain about this? they hire guys specifically to do this. when the NL has to use a DH they have to look at a bench guy to play. this isn't close to fair and yet the AL, who has a guy ready to fill that role is upset when their equally bad hitting pitchers have to bat in an NL city? give me a break.
 
Depends on whether it is our rally thwarted or the other teams. The strategy of working around the pitcher in your line-up and the other teams line-up makes the game much more interesting, and adds several layers of decisions and potential outcomes.

I agree it is a somewhat different game with different considerations, but I'm not not sure why its better that a player who cannot really hit goes up to bat 2-3 times a game to sacrifice or make an out.
 
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