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57Brave said:
or you could say HRC is championing college tuition reform on behalf of Sen Sanders.

I don't get the hand wringing / bedwetting over Sen Sanders supporting HRC.
Kind of the adult thing to do
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Well, I'm glad somebody is 'supporting' it. Or even talking about it. It's important.

But, again, let's not pretend Sanders isn't a pawn in the game. He enjoyed popularity as an anti-establishment figure and then kowtowed to the same establishment that he railed against. I think most people who aren't already predisposed to partisanship would see the duplicity there.
 
I would think that people that understand how electoral politics works would be shocked --shocked that Sen Sanders is actively campaigning for HRC.
Sen Warren too?
Apparently the speeches and leaks haven't slowed Sen Warren.

face it, you are again on the wrong side of analyzing an issue
:)
 
Right. People accept the status quo because they 'understand how it works'.

Which is what Sanders went on and on about as being a bad thing.

"There is a lot of sentiment that enough is enough, that we need fundamental changes, that the establishment — whether it is the economic establishment, the political establishment or the media establishment — is failing the American people."

And then he backs an establishment candidate.

I'm not saying Bernie is a bad guy, but it doesn't add up.
 
I voted for Sanders and he lost

Take here is he understands you stand a better chance of making your case sitting at the bargaining table than you do standing outside on the street shaking your fist
 
Well, isn't that what Sanders' entire Senate career basically was? Essentially standing on the street corner shaking his fist?

"I've run outside of the two-party system, defeating Democrats and Republicans ..."

Maybe it's just me, but I don't have a ton of faith in the establishment. When Bernie went on and on about the millionaires and billionaires it appealed to me on a pretty real level. As I mentioned before, even if I don't 100% agree with a presidential candidate's entire platform I tend to look at things more broadly and imagine them 'pushing' the country in one way or the other and Sanders was a push in a positive direction.

Bernie was a compelling anti-establishment guy given his political career prior to announcing his bid. I feel like that maverick status has been majorly downgraded now. You see it as him being able to use his celebrity to majorly impact establishment politics. We'll see what happens.
 
See his record / tenure as Mayor of Burlington.

In fact, one can't be any more establishment than Sanders. He has been in government his entire adult life.
I agree with him on most everything. However, that agreement and a buck 25 buys a cheap cuppa coffee.

How does one take the Occupy Movement and turn it into a functioning policy arm ?
Not by standing in the street shaking your fist.

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This is what Occupy organizers came to understood but Bernie Bros and (L) haven't quite come to grips with yet.
 
Technically, yes, I suppose. If you think working in government makes you a member of the establishment by default. In the case of Sanders, I was willing to believe what he said because he generally stayed out of partisan politics as a Senator.

What do you mean about the functioning policy arm of Occupy?
 
Transforming Occupy Movement from sleeping in the park to making law.

Sanders though registered (I) has always toed the (D) legislative line
Independents in Vermont are a far different animal than Independents in Virginia or California
 
Hawk said:
Right. People accept the status quo because they 'understand how it works'.

Which is what Sanders went on and on about as being a bad thing.

"There is a lot of sentiment that enough is enough, that we need fundamental changes, that the establishment — whether it is the economic establishment, the political establishment or the media establishment — is failing the American people."

And then he backs an establishment candidate.

I'm not saying Bernie is a bad guy, but it doesn't add up.
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yep, he did. cause he likes others are being adult and understand that it will be Hillary or Trump.

if the choice is an antiestablishment choice of Trump and his terribleness that goes against pretty much everything you believe or the middle of the road "democrat" who might get a few of your ideas through

it really is a no brainer

if there was such thing as a trump movement and was truly antiestablishment he wouldn't run as a republican imo btw
 
goldfly said:
yep, he did. cause he likes others are being adult and understand that it will be Hillary or Trump.

if the choice is an antiestablishment choice of Trump and his terribleness that goes against pretty much everything you believe or the middle of the road "democrat" who might get a few of your ideas through

it really is a no brainer

if there was such thing as a trump movement and was truly antiestablishment he wouldn't run as a republican imo btw
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The political merit is obvious, but that doesn't mean it has to be natural law. Bernie could have gone down kicking and screaming. I think that's the difference between a true 'revolutionary' and a rhetorical one. Like I said, I see why he did what he did but it doesn't jive with who he said he was.

As for DJT, I think he ran as a Republican because that was the only way he was going to gain any sort of credibility. The core of each party is going to rubber stamp their candidate no matter who it is. He got in, stole those votes, and then almost immediately broke rank. I think that's why he encountered so much resistance from the party from the get go. They knew he wasn't going play ball.

Do you think Sanders is/was an anti-establishment candidate? He was going to run as a Democrat.
 
i don't think sanders is that much anti-establishment. he just thinks things should be done a different way and isn't part of a political party

and just like trump, he might have a following but he knew if he was going to have a chance he would have to go with the democratic party to possibly become president

neither could be elected in this country without being part of one of 2 parties

he said from the start that if he couldn't pull off the victory for himself he wasn't going to split the vote cause he saw how dangerous the other side

i mean, obviously his revolution isn't subscribing to the way Che viewed revolutions: "You Win or You Die"

but maybe it has evolved
 
Looks like Kate McKinnon

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Michael Cohen ‏@speechboy71 8h8 hours ago

The amazing thing about that "such a nasty woman" comment is that Clinton was not rattled by it. Just kept answering the question

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I voted for Sanders but I don't know he could have stayed as composed as HRC through these debates.
Seriously wonder if he would have folded ala Jeb,Lil Marco,Lyin Ted
etal

That was a pretty tough person that withstood that **** barrage.
Her handling of the 3 encounters with Trump were
Ali - esque

Bravo HRC
 
57Brave said:
then saw this :

The third and final presidential debate has ended, and it can now be said: Hillary Clinton crushed Donald Trump in the most effective series of debate performances in modern political history.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/19/13340828/hillary-clinton-debate-trump-won
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crushed? I admit my sample size from last night was small but while I thought Hilldog looked better during that time than Trump, who was simply playing, The Apprentice "you're fired" persona, I don't think I'd go as far as "most effective debate performance in modern political history".
 
All the arguing about who is qualified and ready to be President yet I find the negative things about the candidates is what most qualifies them to be President. Like Hillary and the DNC pretending they shouldn't be held accountable for the crimes and corruption revealed in their emails because we shouldn't have been able to see them. That's standard government operating procedure. Hillary might be the most corrupt person to be President and that also makes her the most qualified candidates of all time.
 
the most annoying thing about this election has been the corruptive use of the word "corruption"

You seem to know very little about:

Thomas Jefferson
Martin van Buren
Ulysses S Grant
FDR
Richard Nixon
Ronald Reagan
George W Bush
Warren Harding
Herbert Hoover
Bill Clinton
James Buchanon
and that guy that got us into the Mexican War of 1830's
LBJ
(read Robert Caro. He makes HRC look like the girl Scout she is)

etc etc etc etc etc

As recently as the 90's John Boehner admits to passing out Tobacco Lobby checks out on the House floor.
 
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