Braves sign Dickey

Chico said:
So do you set up the rotation to have Dickey after Folty? That knuckle ball will be hard to wait on the day after seeing Folty.
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That's actually a good point. With the amount of innings he gives a team, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Teheran, Dickey, Folty, Wisler, Collmenter/Jenkins/Newcomb/Ellis/Gant. Whoevah
 
UNCBlue012 said:
That's actually a good point. With the amount of innings he gives a team, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Teheran, Dickey, Folty, Wisler, Collmenter/Jenkins/Newcomb/Ellis/Gant. Whoevah
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I think you have Dickey after Folty. Hitters hate the slow guys as it's hard to wait on them and screws up their timing.

I'm thinking Teheran, unknown SP, Folty, Dickey, unknown SP

One of those unknowns would need to be a lefty.
 
Chico said:
I think you have Dickey after Folty. Hitters hate the slow guys as it's hard to wait on them and screws up their timing.

I'm thinking Teheran, unknown SP, Folty, Dickey, unknown SP

One of those unknowns would need to be a lefty.
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I'd be ecstatic with Hammel, but I'm not against trading for a solid guy either.

Teheran, Hammel, Folty, Dickey, Wisler?
 
Chico said:
He'll probably be a 1.5-2 WAR pitcher, so that's a fair market deal.
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Yup. I think we'll sign another starting pitcher of similar or slightly more value and add a catcher (one of McCann, Wieters and Castro).

That'll have us lined up at 80-85 on the expected win curve for 2017.

People toss around words like contending or competitive around here and they seem to mean something a little different to each person. Being at 80-85 on the expected win curve equals competitive to me. We might be sellers or buyers at the deadline. But the same could be said of most teams headed into any given season.

Looking a little ahead, I think there is a two-step plan with respect to starting pitching. Step 1 is to acquire a couple 2 win guys on the FA market this off-season. Step 2 is a trade for a higher caliber starting pitcher at the deadline or in the next off-season. What kind of trade do I have in mind? Something like this: Dickey+Markakis for Jordan Zimmermann.

Executing this sort of plan allows us to be competitive in 2017. It gives us the flexibility to be buyers or sellers at the deadline depending on how the team does through July. And it gives us the assets to pick up a higher quality starter like Zimmermann without trading young talent.
 
Getting a number 3 or 4 starter that will give us 1.5 WAR doesn't seem like a big move. But the thing is, Dickey probably isn't taking the spot of a replacement level player. Odds are he's filling a spot that was collectively filled with a couple wins below replacement level.

Assuming we grab another starter that's better (quite possible) and Dickey is our number 4 starter, the difference between what we got from the 4 spot last year and this year will be significant. It's a boost of a several wins.

Moves like this aren't the flashy ones that sell tickets but they are the ones that fill out a quality roster and gets you wins over the long slog of the season.
 
It seemed like Dickey really thrived in the national league and at 42, its not like his fastball was ever a big deal in his repertoire, so velocity doesn't matter. As long as the knuckle keeps the sharp break it could be a great move.
 
Has anyone ever proven their is an effect on pitching before or after a knuckleballer?

p.s. I think it was a good move.
 
striker42 said:
Getting a number 3 or 4 starter that will give us 1.5 WAR doesn't seem like a big move. But the thing is, Dickey probably isn't taking the spot of a replacement level player. Odds are he's filling a spot that was collectively filled with a couple wins below replacement level.

Assuming we grab another starter that's better (quite possible) and Dickey is our number 4 starter, the difference between what we got from the 4 spot last year and this year will be significant. It's a boost of a several wins.

Moves like this aren't the flashy ones that sell tickets but they are the ones that fill out a quality roster and gets you wins over the long slog of the season.
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While not a perfect exercise you can easily see the benefit of getting an averagish starter in there to eat up innings. The Braves used 16 starters in 2016 and gave a combined 32 starts to Whalen, Roberto Hernandez, Weber, Blair, and Jenkins. They totaled 151 2/3 innings and gave the Braves a collective -2 WAR. Giving those starts to Dickey would give the Braves an additional 3-4 wins and greatly lessen the strain on the bullpen.
 
Welcome back thethe, regarding Dickey.

He was good away from home but did give up alot of homeruns.

But he eats innings which is what the Braves need right now.
 
If the Mets don’t push to bring back Colon, the division-rival Braves may be there to step in, as MLB.com’s Mark Bowman tweets that Atlanta has ongoing interest. (Of course, the team already landed an over-40 pitcher today.)
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:JSIDK:
 
To further expand on the idea above. The Braves used an additional 4 starters( De La Cruz, Kelly, Gant, and Willimas) to combine for 28 starts, 134 2/3 innings (not even 5 innings a start), and 0.1 WAR. Again getting another at worst dependable and average starter would improve the team by a couple of wins and take off more stress on the bullpen.

Now you can't predict 100% health across the board for starters but you can prevent having 13 pitchers start between 1 and 15 games for the team. But I do see one more dependable starter added to the rotation and going with Julio, Foly, Wisler, new starter, Dickey. Have guys like Collmenter in the pen/AAA in case of injury.
 
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