Smyly, Longoria and Wieters

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Jay212033

Anytime Now Frankie...
If the Braves could swing a deal for these 2 guys they would definitely be in contention next season.

Braves trade:

Arodys Vizcaino - RP

Aaron Blair - SP

Sean Newcomb - SP

Rio Ruiz - 3B

Max Fried - SP

Braves get:

Evan Longoria - 3B

Drew Smyly - SP

Sign Matt Wieters - 4 yrs/40 mil

Lineup:

Ender Inciarte - CF

Dansby Swanson - SS

Freddie Freeman - 1B

Matt Kemp - LF

Evan Longoria - 3B

Nick Markakis - RF

Matt Wieters - C

Ozzie Albies - 2B

Bench:

Tyler Flowers - C

Adonis Garcia - 3B/1B/LF

Jace Peterson - Super Utility

Mallex Smith - OF/PR/Defensive Replacement

Chase D'Arnaud/Daniel Castro - IF

Rotation:

Julio Teheran - RHP

Drew Smyly - LHP

Mike Folty - RHP

R.A. Dickey - RHP

Matt Wisler/Josh Collmenter/Williams Perez/John Gant - RHP

Bullpen:

Josh Collmenter/Williams Perez/John Gant - LRP

Mauricio Cabrera - MRP

Paco Rodriguez - LOOGY

Shea Simmons - MRP

Ian Krol - MRP

A.J.Minter - SUP

Jim Johnson - SP

That team could really compete for the division! The BP could be SICK!
 
If we're trading for both Longoria and Smyly/Archer, we can kiss goodbye to all of that farm depth we've spent the last couple of years building. Not happening.
 
CyYoung31 said:
If we're trading for both Longoria and Smyly/Archer, we can kiss goodbye to all of that farm depth we've spent the last couple of years building. Not happening.
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I know what Coppy as said, but he's also said that at some point you reverse the process and start using that farm depth to acquire the players you need to compete.

To me, if a big price in prospects nets you controllable, valuable pieces like TOR starters and middle of the order bats, you have to look hard at it.

It's probably a year early, but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.
 
Doubtful we'll get him for that package. Those two would require Albies be involved for sure and probably Allard, as well as most of the players from your original post. Not so sure that's worth it.

But a deal for Archer centered around Newcombe and a couple other top 10 prospects could definitely happen.
 
Carp said:
Doubtful we'll get him for that package. Those two would require Albies be involved for sure and probably Allard, as well as most of the players from your original post. Not so sure that's worth it.

But a deal for Archer centered around Newcombe and a couple other top 10 prospects could definitely happen.
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I really like Newcomb, but I do that trade for archer easily. Newcomb, Povse, Peterson, Viz may be close.
 
jcc03004 said:
Would you guys include folty if you had to ?
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It depends on the package size. If it was centered around him and say, one more solid prospect, probably. But I seriously think he's going to become our best pitcher pretty soon. If not, he'll be a workhorse.
 
You guys still aren't paying attention to what's happening. The Braves will not be acquiring anyone even near the level of the players suggested in these trades.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
I know what Coppy as said, but he's also said that at some point you reverse the process and start using that farm depth to acquire the players you need to compete.

To me, if a big price in prospects nets you controllable, valuable pieces like TOR starters and middle of the order bats, you have to look hard at it.

It's probably a year early, but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.
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Not when it completely saps your farm system. They've made it clear that they aren't going that route, and I'm glad. As a mid-market team, you need to consistently have a quality farm system to compete.
 
CyYoung31 said:
Not when it completely saps your farm system. They've made it clear that they aren't going that route, and I'm glad. As a mid-market team, you need to consistently have a quality farm system to compete.
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I get that. On the other hand, it's hard to have a nine-man rotation.

They've opted for another oldster, which keeps everything intact. Still a year away from cashing in some chips, which is your answer and probably the right one. It's nice to ponder, though, especially when it pisses off Enscheff.
 
Enscheff said:
You guys still aren't paying attention to what's happening. The Braves will not be acquiring anyone even near the level of the players suggested in these trades.
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I see what's happening, you dumb ****. I just enjoy running through scenarios with other fans. Don't worry, I adhere to rigid mental discipline at work.
 
I do not understand the desire or need to be this team vying for a title in 2017. We built one heck of a minor league system over the past 1 1/2 years + with pitching that has a very high upside. included in those are at least 2 of the pitchers being offered up in this fantom trade. Newcomb and Fried are both high ceiling types and both left handed. either of them has the potential to be a #2 level pitcher maybe more. This for Drew Smyly? why? As for Longoria, again what is the hurry? his contract length would put him here even after potential at least 2 potential 3b maybe 3 from the farm system should be ready, that includes Austin Riley, Ruiz and potentially Maitan.

Personally I am fine with waiting it out for another couple years waiting to see who steps to the front of the line. We have an amazing number of TOR prospects in the lower minors, I would like to see it through before trading for an instant fix.
 
depley said:
I do not understand the desire or need to be this team vying for a title in 2017. We built one heck of a minor league system over the past 1 1/2 years + with pitching that has a very high upside. included in those are at least 2 of the pitchers being offered up in this fantom trade. Newcomb and Fried are both high ceiling types and both left handed. either of them has the potential to be a #2 level pitcher maybe more. This for Drew Smyly? why? As for Longoria, again what is the hurry? his contract length would put him here even after potential at least 2 potential 3b maybe 3 from the farm system should be ready, that includes Austin Riley, Ruiz and potentially Maitan.

Personally I am fine with waiting it out for another couple years waiting to see who steps to the front of the line. We have an amazing number of TOR prospects in the lower minors, I would like to see it through before trading for an instant fix.
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I'll bite. The answer is Aaron Blair.

He was a sure-fire 2-3 starter with a sinker he threw on the corners at 94, a great change with a build that promised durability. Then he proceeded to pitch to an 8.00 ERA.

I understand the allure of Newcomb, and I really like Fried. Riley has had two terrific years, and Ruiz has potential. But there's no guarantee any of those guys does anything at the top level - just like Blair.

Smyly looks ready to bust out, Longoria will be a top-drawer 3B for another 4-5 years, and Archer is just terrific - a low level ace - and they're all cheap, and they've done it at the major league level. And I value their ML success much greater than Ruiz finally hitting double-digit HRs at Gwinnett.

There are two reasons to develop a great farm - to develop your own great players and to acquire others' great players. I think many guys on this site are very informed and savvy about our farm and the minors in general, and I value their knowledge and judgment. But I think we overvalue our minor leaguers sometimes. To me, nothing is better than cheap, controllable, (usually) young vets.

Now, hopefully I have better judgment and drive a harder bargain than Dave Stewart. But you get the point.
 
First, Blair was never a surefire 2-3 starter. Second, he's pitched in the majors 15 times.

There's certainly no guarantee any of them do anything at the top level. There's also no guarantee Smyly 'busts out' or Longoria is a top-drawer 3B for another 4-5 years, or Archer ever reaches his ceiling.

If you give away multiple high-ceiling players for simply 'good' major league players, you will eventually regret it. It's just not the way good, long-lasting major league teams are built.

But Blair never was Newcomb as a prospect, and he doesn't have the ceiling Fried does. Aaron Blair was never the kind of prospect that was going to be the centerpiece of a deal to get you a good major league player. Newcomb could be. There's a reason for that.
 
People are killing me with Blair. Dude has pitched in 15 games at the Major league level. How do people judge players so quickly?
 
UNCBlue012 said:
People are killing me with Blair. Dude has pitched in 15 games at the Major league level. How do people judge players so quickly?
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I don't think anyone would be blind to 15 games, but unilaterally he looked like hot garbage. I'm not off his bandwagon but it's reasonable to lower expectations even if you like him.
 
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