The Case for Sonny Gray

I think as long as we're not trading Albies or Maitan, then a move for one of these guys is very smart. We stacked the system full of pitching, so you can afford to give up 3 or 4 of your best when you're getting back a dominant ML starter with several years of control.
 
Carp said:
I think as long as we're not trading Albies or Maitan, then a move for one of these guys is very smart. We stacked the system full of pitching, so you can afford to give up 3 or 4 of your best when you're getting back a dominant ML starter with several years of control.
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And the extra years is almost as important as getting the top target IMO.

IIRC, someone mentioned they wondered if Coppy might be shopping a particular package, and while I have no idea whether he's actually doing that, it's not a bad strategy. I'd start with the lesser package for Archer or Quintana - offer Newcomb, Acuna, a choice of Demeritte or Riley, and Sims to Tampa for Archer and to the Sox for Quintana and see if either bites. If you get Quintana, offer to extend both he and Julio extensions through 2021 for $15 million per with $3 million buyouts.

That takes care of your #1 and #2 for the next 5 years, and you can begin letting everyone else weed themselves out.
 
If the Braves deal for Sale then either Frazier is coming too or they are going for another bat somewhere.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
If the Braves deal for Sale, they don't think they're an 80 win club.
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I think we saw where overconfident win projections got us the last two years. I'd rather avoid more disappointment and have an average win projection.

Whatever their (and your) projection is, it should be higher in 2018 and 2019, meaning if they want to make the playoffs, then they should wait a bit.
 
Ventura's Stolen Bases said:
I would be ok with clvclv's trade, but I still feel we will get more bang for our buck next year as this year will probably be ~80 wins.
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The toughest thing here for the brass (to me), is to maintain discipline. Really hard to question that we've got the pieces to trade for just about anyone we want. The key now is not to put all your eggs in one basket. They keep saying publicly that they're not going to, but I still worry that if you get this close to being able to trade for someone like Sale that ANYONE - not just Coppy - can contain themselves.
 
clvclv said:
The toughest thing here for the brass (to me), is to maintain discipline. Really hard to question that we've got the pieces to trade for just about anyone we want. The key now is not to put all your eggs in one basket. They keep saying publicly that they're not going to, but I still worry that if you get this close to being able to trade for someone like Sale that ANYONE - not just Coppy - can contain themselves.
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How, other than waiting for a guy in A or even rookie ball, do you obtain an ace? You could give a free agent 7 years and $200,000,000...or make a trade for a guy. And that costs players. Multiple players. Do I spend a young position player and three prospects to get an ace when we're close? I do.

Smith isn't as good as Inciarte, but he's close enough that I make the deal. You have started the clocks on Smith, Swanson...you're paying Freddie...you might as well go ahead and compete.

I'm pretty sure the front office thinks the team that ended the year isn't a 68-win team. So I'm sure they're not operating from the assumption that Fangraphs' 70 is accurate. They think we're better. And that's why they're shopping, and why they're very likely to land one.
 
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