2016-2017 Off-Season Thread

also, the effect a guy like Bartolo could have on our younger pitchers might not be measurable. (not a fat joke either, I will save those for another post).. But a guy who throws one pitch and still is successful, all while collecting social security is a guy who just knows how to get guys out. If our electric arms (JT, Folty, Wisler, Blair) could just take a little knowledge from Colon, then he is worth the 12 million already.
 
The Padres were probably going to move Cashner to the bullpen if they didn't trade him. That's probably where he belongs to be honest. He will be a gas can in the AL especially when it heats up.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Cashner has upside. Colon has downside.
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The Braves stated repeatedly they were looking to add "stability" to the rotation. Colon is a lock for 200 IP, while Cashner isn't even a lock to step out on the field.

The signings of Dickey and Colon were not about winning. They were about soaking up innings until the young guys are ready to start winning.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Pretty good plan, if the Cubs intend to catch Schwarber, but I don't think they do. Ross retired, so they're no longer 3-deep.

I understand the value of defense and framing at the position, but Castro's bat leaves me wondering why these numbers are being thrown around. I don't see him every day, maybe I'd appreciate him more.
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Because 10-20 framing runs is 1-2 wins, regardless of what he does with the bat.

As a LHed hitter, he posted a .757 OPS vs RHers last year, and has a career .753 OPS against them. The Braves just so happen to have a RHed hitting catcher on the roster who posted a .767 OPS vs LHers last year and an OPS of .730-.750 over the last 3 seasons against them, which would make the perfect compliment to Castro.

For reference, MLB average OPS for a catcher last year was .734. Castro plus Flowers should produce 2-3 WAR if deployed properly, plus ~20 framing runs, all for less than $15M per year. That's 4-5 wins, and tremendous value.

And what exactly do you think $8M-$10M per year buys a MLB team on the FA market nowadays? About 1-1.5 WAR. Pretty much exactly what Castro will get.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
also, the effect a guy like Bartolo could have on our younger pitchers might not be measurable. (not a fat joke either, I will save those for another post).. But a guy who throws one pitch and still is successful, all while collecting social security is a guy who just knows how to get guys out. If our electric arms (JT, Folty, Wisler, Blair) could just take a little knowledge from Colon, then he is worth the 12 million already.
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Yep...this times 100. If he can just convince them to trust that a fastball located correctly is still the best pitch there is he'll be worth his contract.
 
Enscheff said:
The Braves stated repeatedly they were looking to add "stability" to the rotation. Colon is a lock for 200 IP, while Cashner isn't even a lock to step out on the field.

The signings of Dickey and Colon were not about winning. They were about soaking up innings until the young guys are ready to start winning.
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Don't disagree. Just pointing out that Cashner just turned 30 and was pretty dominant in his 26 & 27 YO seasons before injury. Colon is 44 in May. The best you can hope for out of Cashner is probably a return to his 26/27 YO season for a season or two more. The best you can likely hope for out of Colon is another year of a 4 ERA. Cashner is being paid on potential while Colon is being paid on hope. Neither pay off that often IMO, but potential has the upside.
 
Enscheff said:
The Braves stated repeatedly they were looking to add "stability" to the rotation. Colon is a lock for 200 IP, while Cashner isn't even a lock to step out on the field.

The signings of Dickey and Colon were not about winning. They were about soaking up innings until the young guys are ready to start winning.
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At some point it has to be about winning, but none of that apparently matters to this organization.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Don't disagree. Just pointing out that Cashner just turned 30 and was pretty dominant in his 26 & 27 YO seasons before injury. Colon is 44 in May. The best you can hope for out of Cashner is probably a return to his 26/27 YO season for a season or two more. The best you can likely hope for out of Colon is another year of a 4 ERA. Cashner is being paid on potential while Colon is being paid on hope. Neither pay off that often IMO, but potential has the upside.
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Cashner has the potential to get his ass out pitched by Colon.
 
Enscheff said:
Because 10-20 framing runs is 1-2 wins, regardless of what he does with the bat.

As a LHed hitter, he posted a .757 OPS vs RHers last year, and has a career .753 OPS against them. The Braves just so happen to have a RHed hitting catcher on the roster who posted a .767 OPS vs LHers last year and an OPS of .730-.750 over the last 3 seasons against them, which would make the perfect compliment to Castro.

For reference, MLB average OPS for a catcher last year was .734. Castro plus Flowers should produce 2-3 WAR if deployed properly, plus ~20 framing runs, all for less than $15M per year. That's 4-5 wins, and tremendous value.

And what exactly do you think $8M-$10M per year buys a MLB team on the FA market nowadays? About 1-1.5 WAR. Pretty much exactly what Castro will get.
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This is pretty close to how I see it as well when it comes to Castro's valuation. Still, I've been surprised at how much interest he's gotten. The average front office seems to have a greater understanding of the pitch framing factor when evaluating catchers as compared to last year. In the current climate, I can't imagine Tyler Flowers would have been (a) released, (b) passed through waivers unclaimed.
 
Should the Braves make a play for Jae-gyun Hwang to play 3B? Here are a few recent articles about him:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-next-good-hitter-to-come-from-south-korea/

http://metsmerizedonline.com/2016/11/mmo-free-agent-profile-jae-gyun-hwang-3b.html/

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2016/11/13/13610506/considering-jae-gyun-hwang

Let's assume the Braves can get him for something around Markakis money (4/44) and control his age 29-32 seasons. Further, let's assume he will produce somewhere between Plouffe and Kang (2-4 WAR).

He wouldn't block guys like Riley, Maitan, and Demeritte, but he would likely relegate Ruiz to a bench role.

Is that a player the Braves should look into to upgrade 3B for the near and mid term?
 
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Enscheff said:
Should the Braves make a play for Jae-gyun Hwang to play 3B? Here are a few recent articles about him:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-next-good-hitter-to-come-from-south-korea/

http://metsmerizedonline.com/2016/11/mmo-free-agent-profile-jae-gyun-hwang-3b.html/

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2016/11/13/13610506/considering-jae-gyun-hwang

Let's assume the Braves can get him for something around Markakis money (4/44) and control his age 29-32 seasons. Further, let's assume he will produce somewhere between Plouffe and Kang (2-4 WAR).

He wouldn't block guys like Riley, Maitan, and Demeritte, but he would likely relegate Ruiz to a bench role.

Is that a player the Braves should look into to upgrade 3B for the near and mid term?
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Sure, why not? If he works out, he could be a bridge to Maitan. If not, maybe he'll at least hit for enough power to move to an AL squad.
 
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