2016-2017 Off-Season Thread

[thethe]

Does this trade give us some insight on what Inciarte is worth? Would people be happy with a similar trade?

I think what you could do is get a third team involved in a Sale deal. Trade Inciarte to a team ready to win now for their top 2 prospects and then ship them to Chicago along with 2 of ours for Sale. I'm a believer in Mallex and think that trading Inciarte is our best chance at upgrading the team while not losing that much from the everyday lineup.

 

[EstebanBugatti]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 4m4 minutes ago
Sources: #Braves in agreement with free-agent infielder Sean Rodriguez on two-year deal for more than $11M, pending physical.

 

[bravesfanforlife88]

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[clvclv]

Does this trade give us some insight on what Inciarte is worth? Would people be happy with a similar trade?

Think we could do slightly better, but it's probably in the ballpark. Of course, if I were trading Ender for an arm, I'd still be all over Alex Reyes personally. If we needed to add a little to make it work (like this deal), I probably would. Maybe something like Ender and Vizcaino for Reyes, Bryce Denton, and Victor Garcia or Walker Robbins.

 

[Enscheff]

Thought about Candelario, but not sure he'd be enough for my liking. Would like a little more pop personally, but if our scouts think some of those 2Bs are going to turn into more over the fence power I'd probably do that. Otherwise, I'm not sure he'd be that big an upgrade over Ruiz (if he continues to improve, of course) since they think he's got at least a bit more power that he hasn't gotten to yet.

Agreed. I don't think Candelario is enough for Inciarte, and in my opinion, any trade involving Inciarte has to include a 3+ WAR player with at least 4 years of control coming back. So some package of fringe guys wouldn't be enough.

Problem with the Cubs is a guy like Eloy is unrealistic, and the drop off to Candelario is pretty big. If they don't want to trade Baez, maybe they would be open to trading Happ? Would he transition well to 3b? Who knows.

Bottom line is I would NEVER trade Inciarte for some package of 2 WAR prospects. The return is either a guy that will offer Inciarte-level production at 3b, C, or SP, or he stays in Atlanta.

 

[rico43]

Writer from MLB.com opines that the Braves have the package to draw Sale away from the ChiSox.

All they'd have to trade, says Anthony Castrovince, is Albies, Newcomb, Sims, Wisler and Riley. I'd say if they'd put Frazier in the deal, do it.

Otherwise, don't waste our time.

 

[zbhargrove]

Writer from MLB.com opines that the Braves have the package to draw Sale away from the ChiSox.

All they'd have to trade, says Anthony Castrovince, is Albies, Newcomb, Sims, Wisler and Riley. I'd say if they'd put Frazier in the deal, do it.

Otherwise, don't waste our time.

I would do that deal

 

[dak]

Some conflicting messages from Bowman and DOB on our pursuit of catching. Bowman mentioned Nick Hundley and Kurt Suzuki as "potential free agent targets" earlier this week, both poor pitch framers. See below from DOB. Hope Bowman was just speculating and DOB is reporting.

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[Enscheff]

Some conflicting messages from Bowman and DOB on our pursuit of catching. Bowman mentioned Nick Hundley and Kurt Suzuki as "potential free agent targets" earlier this week, both poor pitch framers. See below from DOB. Hope Bowman was just speculating and DOB is reporting.

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Encouraging to see. Still seems odd they wouldn't outbid the Twins for Castro if this is the case. I would have gone up to 3/30 for him.

 

[Enscheff]

Writer from MLB.com opines that the Braves have the package to draw Sale away from the ChiSox.

All they'd have to trade, says Anthony Castrovince, is Albies, Newcomb, Sims, Wisler and Riley. I'd say if they'd put Frazier in the deal, do it.

Otherwise, don't waste our time.

And why does he think that's the case? His speculation or he has a source?

Because if this has merit the SRod signing suddenly makes perfect sense.

 

[Horsehide Harry]

And why does he think that's the case? His speculation or he has a source?

Because if this has merit the SRod signing suddenly makes perfect sense.

They also may really like Demeritte long term for 2B but know he's 2-3 years away. Reports out of the AFL was that he was a 70 defender at 2B. As for his offense, they may see a Jace Peterson K/BB rate but with a much better power/production profile. That would probably mean an occasional All-Star type player. Peterson/SRod bridge the next couple of years.

 

[thethe]

They also may really like Demeritte long term for 2B but know he's 2-3 years away. Reports out of the AFL was that he was a 70 defender at 2B. As for his offense, they may see a Jace Peterson K/BB rate but with a much better power/production profile. That would probably mean an occasional All-Star type player. Peterson/SRod bridge the next couple of years.

Agreed. TD was a top pick and is now showing he has all the tools to be a top prospect. Braves must love what theyve seen out of him if Albies is available. Rodriguez acts as a nice bridge to give TD at least a year.

 

[Carp]

Writer from MLB.com opines that the Braves have the package to draw Sale away from the ChiSox.

All they'd have to trade, says Anthony Castrovince, is Albies, Newcomb, Sims, Wisler and Riley. I'd say if they'd put Frazier in the deal, do it.

Otherwise, don't waste our time.

I'd definitely do that trade. Not keen on giving up Riley, but for Sale you obviously don't blink on this.

 

[nsacpi]

given their BA rankings, Albies and Newcomb have an expected surplus value of 13 wins...Sale has an expected surplus value of 11 over the three years his contract covers

 

[Ozzie Swanson]

Writer from MLB.com opines that the Braves have the package to draw Sale away from the ChiSox.

All they'd have to trade, says Anthony Castrovince, is Albies, Newcomb, Sims, Wisler and Riley. I'd say if they'd put Frazier in the deal, do it.

Otherwise, don't waste our time.

I pull the trigger on that deal immediately even without Frazier. We have the depth to withstand losing all of those players from our system. Yeah it would definitely hurt but we have Allard/Fried to replace Newcomb as LH starters, Demerrite to replace Albies, and plenty of projectable RH pitchers to replace Sims and Wisler. Only one that lacks a true replacement is Riley and he's still so young and has questionable bat speed apparently. I wouldn't worry too much about losing him.

 

[zbhargrove]

given their BA rankings, Albies and Newcomb have an expected surplus value of 13 wins...Sale has an expected surplus value of 11 over the three years his contract covers

I'd still do it. Sale will not be traded for even value... and those guys are all somewhat expendable and doesn't kill our farm at all.

 

[mfree80]

I pull the trigger on that deal immediately even without Frazier. We have the depth to withstand losing all of those players from our system. Yeah it would definitely hurt but we have Allard/Fried to replace Newcomb as LH starters, Demerrite to replace Albies, and plenty of projectable RH pitchers to replace Sims and Wisler. Only one that lacks a true replacement is Riley and he's still so young and has questionable bat speed apparently. I wouldn't worry too much about losing him.

I guess i am less convinced about Demeritte. I keep seeing people talk about the rise of TD, and projecting him as making Albies tradeable. I need to see a lot more progress from TD before talking about him in the same conversation as Albies.

 

[50PoundHead]

I get the logic and Demeritte probably has as high a ceiling as Albies, but where I think things run into trouble is that the chances of Demeritte reaching his ceiling are not as good as Albies reaching his. We'll know more about Demeritte after a season in the Southern League. If his contact rate doesn't improve, I don't see him as anywhere near a sure thing.

 

[dak]

Writer from MLB.com opines that the Braves have the package to draw Sale away from the ChiSox.

All they'd have to trade, says Anthony Castrovince, is Albies, Newcomb, Sims, Wisler and Riley. I'd say if they'd put Frazier in the deal, do it.

Otherwise, don't waste our time.

This is of course just speculation by Castrovince, but that offer figures to get us in conversation. But can CHW really trade 3 years of Sale without getting a young MLB player back? I wouldn't do that trade if I were Rick Hahn. If one of Inciarte / Swanson / Folty aren't in the deal, the prospect package probably needs to be better than what's listed. Sub out Sims and / or Riley for one or more of our top youngsters like Acuna, Allard, etc.

 

[thethe]

This is of course just speculation by Castrovince, but that offer figures to get us in conversation. But can CHW really trade 3 years of Sale without getting a young MLB player back? I wouldn't do that trade if I were Rick Hahn. If one of Inciarte / Swanson / Folty aren't in the deal, the prospect package probably needs to be better than what's listed. Sub out Sims and / or Riley for one or more of our top youngsters like Acuna, Allard, etc.

If thats the deal then I walk. Albies/Newcomb is likely going to be the best 1/2 prospect package in a deal. Plus they are getting a guy that can potentially become a #3 starter in Wisler and two other prospects who have a high ceiling.

I'd sit on it and see if another team will match. I doubt the White Sox will get more if they wait till the deadline or next year. There is also the risk that Sale gets hurt and then they are left holding the bag.