Braves acquire garcia

UNCBlue012 said:
Or Wisler/Blair. It would make sense now to see a Albies, Folty, Blair/Wisler, Inciarte/Smith trade.
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I'd definitely dangle a Inciarte/Folty/Albies package and see if the Rays or Sox bite. Can't imagine any body else trading that much. Might even swap Albies out for two lower prospects.
 
Gant and Ellis could end up as pretty good relievers very soon. Considering how pedestrian Garcia was last year, the fact he's almost a FA, and what he's owed, it's a steep price.
 
It seems like an elementary thing to point out but this seems to be lost in the shuffle: Garcia's salary fetches you about 1.5 wins on the open market. If you expect him to be a 2 win pitcher, his surplus value is half a win. I think that's a pretty reasonable approximation of his value.

I like Gant and Dyskstra a bit more than the consensus. Ditto for Povse, one of the guys we gave up in the other trade. That colors my estimation of those trades some.
 
thethe said:
So confusing. That means either Teheran or Folty are traded. Before the offseason started those were the two I would have said were 100% on the staff next year.
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What about both? The Braves do have the depth.
 
gilesfan said:
I wonder if they looked into Gio. Gio is the same money, coming off a bit of a rough year and someone the Nats would probably like to unload in a decent deal. I would venture to guess it would take a bit more, but there is at least a lot of potential upside. Im not suggesting they didn't kick the tires, but I'm just throwing it out as someone we could have obtained if that is what we were looking for.
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I read this as Giolito and got super confused.
 
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1 way I could see #Braves trading for Sale w/out giving up Dansby: Trade Teheran. JT has club-friendly contract, but Sale makes u better.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
If not Sale, who? It seems serious that we may get another TOR-type pitcher.
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It is one of those throw some smoke out type things to get fans thinking the team is trying to compete. At least I hope so because I don't know that acquiring a TOR this year is the right move unless we get 3-4 years out of him.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
Ellis is 24 and Gant 27 on the Cards' MLB prospect list.
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Braves areally just trying to convert those three into one prospect who has a higher ceiling. If Garcia pitches well they can easily get that accomplished at the deadline.
 
gilesfan said:
You hope those guys turn into Teheran.
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When you have so many you'll be dissapointed if at least 2 don't turn out that way. The realast hope is that one of them will be better than Teheran and another 1 or 2 will be as good.
 
I feel like this WAR projections **** has moved baseball back to the dark ages. These projection systems take in 0 context about a player. All these systems do is average together their last 3 years weighing the most recent years more and adjust for growth/regression depending on which side of the peak age they are on. That and regressing BABIP towards the mean is 95% of what goes into those projections. They are horse****. Garcia's peripheral stats were good with the exception of a spike in home runs. 20% of fly balls went for home runs, I doubt that happens again this year. I think the Braves will correct whatever the issue is/was. If he can keep his k/9 over 7, his BB/9 under 3 and groundball rate of 55-60% I think he will have a very good year barring health. He's made 50 starts and pitched 300 innings the last 2 years, so maybe not Mike Hampton level of ironman but also not Mike Hampton level of made out of glass either.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I feel like this WAR projections **** has moved baseball back to the dark ages. These projection systems take in 0 context about a player. All these systems do is average together their last 3 years weighing the most recent years more and adjust for growth/regression depending on which side of the peak age they are on. That and regressing BABIP towards the mean is 95% of what goes into those projections. They are horse****. Garcia's peripheral stats were good with the exception of a spike in home runs. 20% of fly balls went for home runs, I doubt that happens again this year. I think the Braves will correct whatever the issue is/was. If he can keep his k/9 over 7, his BB/9 under 3 and groundball rate of 55-60% I think he will have a very good year barring health. He's made 50 starts and pitched 300 innings the last 2 years, so maybe not Mike Hampton level of ironman but also not Mike Hampton level of made out of glass either.
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I just don't like the mob mentality now. If you don't agree with the projections then you don't know baseball.
 
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