Winter Meetings Thread

From DOB's latest, thoughts on remaining moves. Tyler Marlette seeming more and more likely as the PTBNL.

They continue to consider a possible deal for free agent Welington Castillo or another catcher, but that’s not a need in Coppolella’s view, since they already have Tyler Flowers and backups Anthonty Recker and (at Triple-A) Tuffy Gosewisch. They would also like to add a catching prospect that might be ready in a year or two, and the Braves have inquired about relievers including Orioles All-Star Brad Brach. Again, prices as of Wednesday were too high, the Orioles reportedly asking for a package that included Braves rookie outfielder Mallex Smith.
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GovClintonTyree said:
After all these months of assuring me that I was the dumbest poster here you just change horses, just like that. I can be stupider than that guy, you're not even giving me a chance.

You're fickle. A fickle ****wit.
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I can't seem to figure out what kind of "wit" could have the first 4 letters starred out.

Give me another hint?
 
CJ9 said:
I like Marlette and hope it's him. But what would've kept him from being thrown in the deal at the time it happened to avoid the risk of someone else taking him in the Rule 5 tomorrow?
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Yeah, it would indicate that the Braves want him, but don't want to add him to the 40-man roster. So they make him the PTBNL just in case he gets picked, in which case, the Braves and Mariners have another player they include in the deal as a substitue.
 
dak said:
Yeah, it would indicate that the Braves want him, but don't want to add him to the 40-man roster. So they make him the PTBNL just in case he gets picked, in which case, the Braves and Mariners have another player they include in the deal as a substitue.
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Good call, that makes sense.
 
Can you trade for a guy like Marlette that wasn't protected by the deadline and add him to your 40 man for protection? Either way, if Marlette is the guy, it's obviously about the roster spot in some capacity.
 
smootness said:
Yeah, I know that. But it's the fact that they are simply historical averages that makes me not like them as definitive values. In reality, some top prospects will sit near $0 in surplus value while some will be worth $200 million, and it's not all that often that individual players fall near the average.

Obviously no one really knows which prospects will hit, which is why I understand the usefulness of the averages. But it still means the values on the MLB player will be far more correct than the prospect values.

I like using those values, but I'll still make individual evaluations based on individual circumstances and players.

I also like players whose surplus value comes primarily from their talent over players whose surplus value comes from their contract, again, especially for a team like the Nats who are less hampered by a big contract.

And it also comes down to what else the White Sox could have gotten, and I don't think any other offers would have been competitive with what the Nats gave up.
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That's all well and good but it's been shown this is how MLB front offices make trades in todays game. Contract surplus value is a real thing as is value of top 100 prospects. These things matter and usually line up among teams that aren't run by morons (see Dave Stewart). All the estimations we have may not be accurate (due to FO's having their own evaluation systems) but they are pretty close. Which is also why I don't see how people constantly **** on the public WAR stats because FO's must have their own which is 100% more accurate. What we have correlates pretty well to the trades and FA signings that happen each year.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Ima get some popcorn. This is awesome.
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Jay212033 said:
Oh my goodness! For your small pea brain just say for instance he hits like he did in AA in the majors in his prime, his OBP was .391 with only 4 count them 4 HRs!!!!!
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Really enjoying watching someone else try to match the tenacity of Enscheff in declaring the utter stupidity of anyone who disagrees with him.
 
Enscheff said:
I still don't know what a ****wit is!!!

What is under the *'s????
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dimm ya dimmwit!

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One thing that would seem to point to Marlette is Kiley's evaluation of him a couple years ago. It seems like we end up with those players he was high on. It makes me wonder if Kiley is influencing our player evaluations, or if Kiley's contacts were primarily Braves scouts.
 
mqt said:
One thing that would seem to point to Marlette is Kiley's evaluation of him a couple years ago. It seems like we end up with those players he was high on. It makes me wonder if Kiley is influencing our player evaluations, or if Kiley's contacts were primarily Braves scouts.
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I'm guessing they are relying on Kiley's knowledge of players outside the Braves organization. Why would they hire a guy if all he did in his previous gig was regurgitate into their own scouts provided him?
 
so, we really are just going to hold on to Markakis through that whole pointless contract we gave him?
 
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