2016-2017 Off-Season Thread

bravesfanMatt said:
baby harang looking for Buffets else where..
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Weird. I was told by several members of this board that Perez and Whalen were going to be solid rotation pieces because they "hit their spots", "knew how to pitch", and "just got people out". I insisted they were not MLB quality starters, but these posters so much smarter than me screamed over and over that I was wrong.

This is all so confusing. How are these genius board members always so wrong? And why do they continue to argue after always being so wrong about everything?
 
Enscheff said:
Weird. I was told by several members of this board that Perez and Whalen were going to be solid rotation pieces because they "hit their spots", "knew how to pitch", and "just got people out". I insisted they were not MLB quality starters, but these posters so much smarter than me screamed over and over that I was wrong.

This is all so confusing. How are these genius board members always so wrong? And why do they continue to argue after always being so wrong about everything?
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Wow all hail the mighty Enscheff who is never wrong. How do you immediately reply to almost everything with your championship corn hole antics, your wildly successful millionaire business ventures, and your rigorous MMA training routine. All that yet you're always at the computer to reply immediately... curious....
 
http://www.12up.com/posts/4238169-breaking-braves-steal-pitcher-from-cubs-release-veteran-hurler?a_aid=40180


Renewed with new room, the Braves snagged Armando Rivero of the Cubs with the fifth overall draft pick. The 28-year-old Rivero whiffed a remarkable 105 in just 67. innings at Triple-A Iowa this season, and is a beyond-intriguing veteran option for the reloading Braves who's likely to stick in the bigs.

While it was a tough morning for Williams Perez, don't be surprised if a team in dire need of pitching gives him a contract for back of the rotation or bullpen help.

 
zbhargrove said:
Nick hasn't been spectacular or anything but he's easily been worth his deal so far.
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It's been pretty much market value. Maybe a slight overpay. I don't think it's any coincidence that Nick is getting paid 44 million and the remaining money saved on Melvin was 48.
 
zbhargrove said:
Wow all hail the mighty Enscheff who is never wrong. How do you immediately reply to almost everything with your championship corn hole antics, your wildly successful millionaire business ventures, and your rigorous MMA training routine. All that yet you're always at the computer to reply immediately... curious....
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Again, so enamored with my personal life. Which parts am I lying about?
 
thethe said:
We used the saved money of BJ
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We should have eaten Melvin's deal and maximized Kimbrel. But we didn't.

BJ was the symbol of the old regime's failure and they wanted him gone.

It was a mistake but not a terrible one. I get why they did it.

JS is going into the Hall of Fame and he's made some bad trades too. It happens. It wasn't even Olivera bad.
 
Russ2dollas said:
We should have eaten Melvin's deal and maximized Kimbrel. But we didn't.

BJ was the symbol of the old regime's failure and they wanted him gone.

It was a mistake but not a terrible one. I get why they did it.

JS is going into the Hall of Fame and he's made some bad trades too. It happens. It wasn't even Olivera bad.
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Want to know what makes it even worse? The Braves should be out looking for a RHed 4th OFer this very moment.

Guess what BJ's numbers were vs LHers last season? I'll save you the trouble...he posted an .874 OPS against them. And in 2015? A cool .792 OPS vs LHers.

So not only did they water down Kimbrel's trade return by sending BJ along for the ride and not use the saved money to help compete at the MLB level, they also traded away a guy that would have been the PERFECT 4th OFer this season.

It's the trade that bit the Braves 3 times!
 
Looks like Matt Wieters has officially lost the game of musical chairs. I'm sure Boras is still expecting 3 / $30m though.

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People realize we still got a pretty solid return for Kimbrell right? Wisler was their No. 1 prospect at the time (and a top 50 prospect). And we got a draft pick that we turned into Riley. And we flipped Maybin into a pretty useful piece in Krol. It's possible the money that it freed up also allowed us to "buy" Touki.
 
Carp said:
People realize we still got a pretty solid return for Kimbrell right? Wisler was their No. 1 prospect at the time (and a top 50 prospect). And we got a draft pick that we turned into Riley. And we flipped Maybin into a pretty useful piece in Krol. It's possible the money that it freed up also allowed us to "buy" Touki.
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Do you realize the Padres then flipped Kimbrel with 1 less year of control for a package centered around Manny Margot? He is the #26 prospect right now, and is worth WAY more than anyone not named Swanson the Braves got in any trade.

I would gladly swap everything the Braves got for Kimbrel straight up just for Margot.

If Dave Stewart wasn't quite possibly the worst GM of the modern sports era, the Braves rebuild would be in pretty awful shape right now, and that is due primarily to screwing the pooch on deals like the Kimbrel trade. Literally the only currently useful parts the Braves have to show for this rebuild (Inciarte and Swanson) were gifts from the inept DBacks FO. Most of the success this rebuild has seen to date is due the Braves being the lucky beneficiary of the DBacks stupidity.
 
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