The Trump Presidency
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Oklahomahawk
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Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Umm please see the pic right above your post!! I do agree with you on the right to choose/reproductive rights/right to abortions though. They're all acronyms for each other. Personally I think it's more (at its root) about having control over their own lives, bodies, futures, and destinies than about just getting rid of a baby, but tragically the child is the first casualty of a war between women and the men they don't want to control them.
acesfull86
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Trump officially pulled the US from the TPP. Surprised he's not getting any credit from the Sanders fanboys here.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
I know it doesn't amount to much, but I'll give him credit for this one.
Some will be physically unable to give credit for anything he does. Even when the economy is back to where it should be peoplenty will still talk about irrelevant things like his beavior and tax returns. Like I've said before...a single mother with a new job is going to love the Trump presidency while the elitist liberals try to spew the same tired nonsense of sexism down her throat.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Like I said, I'll give him credit for this, this is the sort of thing I was/am cautiously optimistic about regarding the Trumpster. Now if we could just renegotiate NAFTA
I hope you know I wasn't talking about you.
I've always said that my vote for trump was based on two main reasons. Economic protection of the AMERICAN middle class and a harder stance on Islamic terrorism. All this other nonsense about tax returns is irrelevant to me aND ersonally I think it's just the left scared he will have a successful presidency and they will lose a grip on power in the western world they've had for the last 20 years.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
No, I didn't think that, it's just that he finally did something I agreed with and I thought I should say hurray before he screws it up. He is a politician now after all.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
I gave credit for the promise, and will give credit for following through.
I have conflicted, but mostly negative, feelings about these sorts of "free trade" deals—I don't like taking pennies out of the fists of struggling third-world workers; but I nonetheless believe that, as long as nation-states exist, their governments have to serve their immediate constituency first. And I think, though they're obviously complex agreements, that the constituency mostly served by free-trade deals are large corporations and the already-very-monied few—with workers only seeing slightly-cheaper goods, to which they nevertheless increasingly lose access, as they commensurably lose wages and work.
Meanwhile, I'm personally ok with paying more for goods and services that are as locally-derived as possible—though I'm skeptical that a lot of anti-free-trade folks are as amenable to that as I am, once the dust settles. So we'll have to see—if the President pursues with vigor this part of his ostensibly-populist agenda—how long broad support for it lasts.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
this is real and not the onion:
Trump Declares His Inauguration Date as ‘Day of Patriotic Devotion’
Donald Trump on Friday issued a proclamation declaring January 20, 2017, the day of his inauguration, a “National Day of Patriotic Devotion.” The decree was uploaded to the Federal Register on Monday and spotted by journalist Ken Klippenstein. The document is scheduled for official publication on Tuesday. “I, Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim January 20, 2017, as National Day of Patriotic Devotion, in order to strengthen our bonds to each other and to our country—and to renew the duties of Government to the people,” the decree reads.
The document further asserts that “there is no freedom where the people do not believe in it; no law where the people do not follow it; and no peace where the people do not pray for it. There are no greater people than the American citizenry, and as long as we believe in ourselves, and our country, there is nothing we cannot accomplish.”
Trump Declares His Inauguration Date as ‘Day of Patriotic Devotion’
Donald Trump on Friday issued a proclamation declaring January 20, 2017, the day of his inauguration, a “National Day of Patriotic Devotion.” The decree was uploaded to the Federal Register on Monday and spotted by journalist Ken Klippenstein. The document is scheduled for official publication on Tuesday. “I, Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim January 20, 2017, as National Day of Patriotic Devotion, in order to strengthen our bonds to each other and to our country—and to renew the duties of Government to the people,” the decree reads.
The document further asserts that “there is no freedom where the people do not believe in it; no law where the people do not follow it; and no peace where the people do not pray for it. There are no greater people than the American citizenry, and as long as we believe in ourselves, and our country, there is nothing we cannot accomplish.”
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
I agree with Hawk's take on the ACA and of the coalition built to support it. It owed its passage to the sufferance of interest groups who weren't really stakeholders, and to Nancy Pelosi's House floor hardball.
I'm honestly fascinated to see what the Trump WH comes up with. It's an area where I'm relatively open-minded and my heart and mind are pretty much up for grabs. If Trump delivers on what he promises, I'm convincable. On the other hand, this is a guy who just promised to eradicate "radical Islamic terrorism" from the face of the earth, so I'm not betting the farm on the delivery of any health care promises.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
I still believe, if the ACA was going to be Obama's hill-to-die-on, he should've made it a damn better hill. I further believe that [MENTION=266]Hawk[/MENTION] is exactly correct regarding Obama's posture in his first two years: he was much too much a "reserved idealist [who] tried to build coalitions with people who had no interest in sustaining them"; but it was not just his loss: it was ours even more.
Given the margins and thresholds, he had much more of a "mandate" than either his predecessor or the current President; and yet he squandered them whilst fancying himself the true "uniter not divider" he campaigned to be. But as we always learn to reaffirm: campaigning is not governing. What sounds good to voters is not always what soundly gets the agenda implemented. The opposition seized on that failing of Obama's, and they likewise know well not to present the same opportunities for undermining and discrediting, under the guise of and flirtations at unity, now that they hold the keys to both the executive and legislative branches.
57Brave
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NEW: Trump tells congressional leaders 3-5 million illegal ballots cost him the popular vote, repeating false claim
here, read it
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-him-the-popular-vote/?utm_term=.b58d3ffd74bb
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why does Trump and his sycophants feel the need to keep talking bout the election?
Almost like they are afraid someone is going to take it from them
There was an old Groucho Marx song "How Can I Miss you If you Won't Go Away"
@abbydphillip
NEW: Trump tells congressional leaders 3-5 million illegal ballots cost him the popular vote, repeating false claim
here, read it
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-him-the-popular-vote/?utm_term=.b58d3ffd74bb
..............
why does Trump and his sycophants feel the need to keep talking bout the election?
Almost like they are afraid someone is going to take it from them
There was an old Groucho Marx song "How Can I Miss you If you Won't Go Away"
Why do you keep on posting about the election?
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
cause the president keeps talking about it
Obama wanted the Public Option, which by far would have been a step towards Uni.
He settled for ACA when Blue Dogs with money tied to the industry like Max Baucus pushed for the ACA instead.
He settled for ACA when Blue Dogs with money tied to the industry like Max Baucus pushed for the ACA instead.