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57Brave said:
What does Trump have on Ryan?
And
Where did he get it ?
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Nothing, other than the bully pulpit and a direct line to anti-Ryan media outlets.

This may--and the final outcome is nowhere near known--boil down to Ryan just being bad at his job.
 
yeah that too. But he has had the same problems Boehner had.

In regard to Trump, what made Ryan into such a Christie level lapdog? Remember last June Ryan didn't want to be on the same stage - 9 months later he is throwing away the Speaker-ship.

Ryan holds the cards to the Intel Committee. Nunes chairmanship is directly appointed by the speaker.

The political intrigue of the Republican Civil War is fascinating as hell

One more idea being floated is (R) knows how to win elections but is clueless when it turns to governing
 
Julio3000 said:
With the caveat that it appears that there have been concessions to placate moderate/vulnerable House Republicans (not that we'd know), any changes in this thing that are aimed at the Freedom Caucus are going to tend to make it less of a going concern in the Senate.

Either way, the White House position is "heads we win, tails Paul Ryan loses."
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Wondering if I'm reading you correctly. From the outside, I think changes made to placate the Freedom Caucus in the House will make it more difficult to pass in the Senate. You might pick up Cruz and Paul, but without somehow curbing millions losing coverage, you don't get any traction on the Dem side (and maybe that's impossible) and you lose any moderate Republicans (if there are any left). I still think it's an overall public relations problem for the Republicans and I believe McConnell, for all his warts, understands that.

I am guessing the House bill will pass today.
 
Spicer's press conference is just bizarre.

He's maintaining that the WH has "left it all on the field" and done everything possible to move the vote.

If it passes, fine. If it fails, he's undercutting the much-ballyhooed negotiating skills of his boss.

He says that members will have to go back to their districts and explain their "no" votes. I think they're probably fine with being thrown in that particular briar patch.
 
50PoundHead said:
Wondering if I'm reading you correctly. From the outside, I think changes made to placate the Freedom Caucus in the House will make it more difficult to pass in the Senate. You might pick up Cruz and Paul, but without somehow curbing millions losing coverage, you don't get any traction on the Dem side (and maybe that's impossible) and you lose any moderate Republicans (if there are any left). I still think it's an overall public relations problem for the Republicans and I believe McConnell, for all his warts, understands that.

I am guessing the House bill will pass today.
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I've been working on the assumption that it will pass. It just seems like they need it too much, and they (nominally) have the votes.

No, I must have been unclear. Tweaking it to please the House FC essentially dooms it in the Senate, IMO.
 
On a related topic, I wish that democrats in Congress had spent every minute of floor time today talking about single-payer HC, if for no other reason then to help set the terms of any future debate.
 
Hawk said:
Yet somehow the blame falls at the feet of Democrats, per Trump.
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I heard that, apparently directly from the horse's mouth. Bizarre and completely divorced from reality.

Is it remotely realistic to hope for bipartisan action at this point?
 
I mean, I almost feel bad piling on him at this point, but he pretty much just admitted that he was bad at his job. He just said that it's easy to be an opposition party but it's hard to govern. No ****. That's been a D talking point for months. "Growing pains." Wow.
 
I see republicans are already taking shots at anyone who voted no.

Party over country is alive and well.

Good for the principled reps who voted no.
 
I guess my prognostication skills have vanished. Hard to believe this end. I thought Trump would sway enough folks, but having an approval rating this low this early probably gave opponents something to think about. I've never been a Ryan fan, but I have to agree with him that it has become darn near impossible to do anything big in this country anymore--in either direction. Cutting taxes will be relatively easy, but I think this shows it will be difficult to get the size of infrastructure package the President supposedly wants.
 
50PoundHead said:
I guess my prognostication skills have vanished. Hard to believe this end. I thought Trump would sway enough folks, but having an approval rating this low this early probably gave opponents something to think about. I've never been a Ryan fan, but I have to agree with him that it has become darn near impossible to do anything big in this country anymore--in either direction. Cutting taxes will be relatively easy, but I think this shows it will be difficult to get the size of infrastructure package the President supposedly wants.
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I also thought that they had to find the votes to do it…simply because of the size of the majority and the fact that it seemed that they couldn't afford not to.

I maintained that position until the last few hours. It's befuddling that they didn't.

Listening to Ryan's excuses (governing is hard, and we're new at it) and Trump's ( those grapes were probably sour, and the Democrats didn't help us) is similarly befuddling.

Republican apostates like David Frum were dead on target here.
 
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