Trump blasts Syria.

thethe said:
I'm so torn. I want to stay out of the middle east because there is no helping those savages. But can we stand idly by while chemical weapons are used? The world is such a ****ty place.
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There's nothing to be torn about.

People who are content to stand by and allow this monster to slaughter another 17K children are morally bankrupt.

This was an appropriate, just, and over-due response.

I can see being torn over boots on the ground and/or a long-term commitment to operations in Syria, but not this.
 
sturg33 said:
Convenient for us
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I think you need a dose of Uncle Ben.

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Hawk said:
There's nothing to be torn about.

People who are content to stand by and allow this monster to slaughter another 17K children are morally bankrupt.

This was an appropriate, just, and over-due response.

I can see being torn over boots on the ground and/or a long-term commitment to operations in Syria, but not this.
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Something something refugee ban.
 
sturg33 said:
Assad doing that would knowingly cause an aggressive attack. Now his fate is probably the same as Saddam's.

You think he's that stupid?

But now we got nearly the entir American populace and half the world supporting our illegal action
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You really have to be willing to ignore a lot of reality on the ground to go down this path.
 
Not to mention that solving the problem which forced ~30 million people out of Syria instead of allowing a not-insignificant portion of those ~30 million people into the United States seems like the best deal for everyone. To me.
 
Hawk said:
There's nothing to be torn about.

People who are content to stand by and allow this monster to slaughter another 17K children are morally bankrupt.

This was an appropriate, just, and over-due response.

I can see being torn over boots on the ground and/or a long-term commitment to operations in Syria, but not this.
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You make a compelling argument. I just don't see any good answers in syria.
 
Hawk said:
Not to mention that solving the problem which forced ~30 million people out of Syria instead of inviting those 30 million people into the United States seems like the best deal for everyone. To me.
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If we could do that lickety-split, I'd say you have a point. Since, even if you sunny-side it, there's going to be a tide of refugees and displaced persons flowing for the foreseeable future, I'd say you're dancing past the point.

As for murder vs. temporary visa denial?

Bombing an airfield doesn't stop the war. It will hopefully curtail a particularly gruesome kind of death, but we have made a conscious decision not to give actual sanctary to the same people who are bearing the brunt of all that killing.

So, yeah, Uncle Ben works there, too.
 
Hawk said:
There's nothing to be torn about.

People who are content to stand by and allow this monster to slaughter another 17K children are morally bankrupt.

This was an appropriate, just, and over-due response.

I can see being torn over boots on the ground and/or a long-term commitment to operations in Syria, but not this.
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What is was was a President under siege looking for a diversion.
 
Runnin said:
What is was was a President under siege looking for a diversion.
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A better example of a diversion is Julio attempting to shift the discussion to the moral imperatives of a refugee ban which was never enacted into law.
 
Hawk said:
A better example of a diversion is Julio attempting to shift the discussion to the moral imperatives of a refugee ban which was never enacted into law.
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Yes, we certainly can't talk about two interrelated issues at the same time.
 
Julio3000 said:
You really have to be willing to ignore a lot of reality on the ground to go down this path.
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I don't think Assad is a good guy or the situation there isn't ugly. But I question the legitimacy of this chemical attack. Doesn't mean it didn't happen the way we said it did. But it doesn't make a lot of sense, and the extraordinarily fast turnaround of the opinion of our WH is suspicious to me.

I think it's healthy and wise to question things our media pushes that helps get a war started.
 
sturg33 said:
I don't think Assad is a good guy or the situation there isn't ugly. But I question the legitimacy of this chemical attack. Doesn't mean it didn't happen the way we said it did. But it doesn't make a lot of sense, and the extraordinarily fast turnaround of the opinion of our WH is suspicious to me.

I think it's healthy and wise to question things our media pushes that helps get a war started.
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I thoroughly agree with the last, and about the precipitous turnaround. I just don't think there's necessarily much mystery as to what happened, and certainly not to the degree that I'd buy into some of the craziness floating around on the subject.
 
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