Trump blasts Syria.

Oklahomahawk said:
I'm not arguing with you about Obama's negatives. I'd probably agree with you on at least most of them, if not all of them. The problem with someone my age is that I can remember stuff from 5 or 6 years ago or even 10+ years ago better and easier than I can remember last week. Of course since last week sucked that's not necessarily a bad thing. This is also why when the Repubs on this board talked the "we all need to put our differences aside and work with this new president like all of us did to work with the new president 8 years ago and the returning president 4 years ago I called bull****. You guys may really not remember all the stuff I read back then, but I do.

I also remember how any discussion with a particular individual around here over our real reasons for going into Iraq had to BEGIN with us admitting that our only motivations for going into the Iraq war were 100% legitimate and honorable and that there could be no talk of "Crooked Cheney" having an ulterior motive. Remember those "good old days"?

So yeah, bash on Obama. His foreign policy moves were for the most part questionable at best and terrible at worst. I tend to think he fell into that "what would W do and once I find out I"ll do the opposite" trap but that's just me. In either case I agree that the world is less safe now than it used to be and that Obama is not totally to blame by any means, he didn't exactly help things either. I could say the same thing about the positive numbers that are present in the economy after his 8 years.

Oh and THE real reason why we as a nation do just about everything we do it money, pure and simple. We may not be getting any of it, but those who call the shots certainly are.
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I'm only going after Obama hard on foreign policy because, to me, it's his Achilles and I'm tired of watching people dance around the fire.

Take Bill Clinton and stack him against Obama.

Is there any question of who the better diplomat was? Granted, Clinton had some major snafus (North Korea, Bin Laden, Cuba, Bosnia) ... but he was much more proactive abroad than Obama, who history will ultimately remember as an isolationist.
 
zitothebrave said:
Ahhh, nope. Only one president in the last 20 years went into the middle east and destabilized a semi-secular government.
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And only one president left a country stranded to fight a war that everyone believed was unwinnable. So Bush is a tyrant and Obama is a coward.
 
Hawk said:
I'm only going after Obama hard on foreign policy because, to me, it's his Achilles and I'm tired of watching people dance around the fire.

Take Bill Clinton and stack him against Obama.

Is there any question of who the better diplomat was? Granted, Clinton had some major snafus (North Korea, Bin Laden, Cuba, Bosnia) ... but he was much more proactive abroad that Obama, who history will ultimately remember as an isolationist.
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Obama and Merkel will be forever remember as leaders who stood idly by while the world was engulfed in destruction.
 
thethe said:
So terrorism is not a bigger threat now as opposed to 5 10 15 20 years ago?
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Nope, terrorism isn't a threat now, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, or 40 years ago. It's a threat but it's hardly a real threat especially for Americans living in America. You're much more likely to die from heart disease, but your country tells it's citizens that they should have more servings of grains than they should of fruits and vegetables combined.
 
zitothebrave said:
The entire citing of terrorism is a war drum. It has been for about 20 years now. It's tired and obvious.
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But seriously, just because terrorism isn't a threat in your corner of New England doesn't mean that it isn't in my corner of New England. The threat is a harsh reality and there are things that we can do to make ourselves safer instead of saying, "Terrorism is obvious." (Whatever that actually means).
 
zitothebrave said:
Nope, terrorism isn't a threat now, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, or 40 years ago. It's a threat but it's hardly a real threat especially for Americans living in America. You're much more likely to die from heart disease, but your country tells it's citizens that they should have more servings of grains than they should of fruits and vegetables combined.
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Where was this post during Obama's reign? You know the president that killed a lot of civilians in drone attacks, the unmanned killing machine he released on people?
 
Hawk said:
Lol.

Revisionism is a beautiful thing.
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Nah, I mean Saddam was Sunni, but he was not a fanatic and in fact most of the people he was accused of killing in his genocidal moves were Islamic extremists. I went with semi-secular because Iraq kind of had to be because of the divide of Shia/Sunni mixed with Kurds.
 
AerchAngel said:
Where was this post during Obama's reign? You know the president that killed a lot of civilians in drone attacks, the unmanned killing machine he released on people?
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I hated Obama too. I have been saying this for a long time. You just need to read my posts more :Bowman:
 
Hawk said:
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But seriously, just because terrorism isn't a threat in your corner of New England doesn't mean that it isn't in my corner of New England. The threat is a harsh reality and there are things that we can do to make ourselves safer instead of saying, "Terrorism is obvious." (Whatever that actually means).
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I lived in the fifth largest(?) city in NJ with a rich and diverse population that was pretty close to NYC and Philly and have never felt fear of terrorism. Yes I rode NJ Transit, Patco, PATH, etc. I've never thought about my train being blown up. I spend more time worrying about other things.

And there are things you can do to make us safer. Bombing civilians isn't one of them.
 
zitothebrave said:
Nope, terrorism isn't a threat now, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, or 40 years ago. It's a threat but it's hardly a real threat especially for Americans living in America. You're much more likely to die from heart disease, but your country tells it's citizens that they should have more servings of grains than they should of fruits and vegetables combined.
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Sich a foolish comparison. Get out from under your rock and realize the world we live in today.
 
Since Gorsuch has been confirmed, it is now total open season on Trump (on the level that is closing in on hate territory I have for Cheney and that is not good). But some of these Liberal posters lack common sense and it bugs me. It is like they are programmed in some way and it is scary.

Trumps sucks a lot, a whole lot but some of these posters are not thinking things through because of their dislike for him, it is seems they are still affected by losing the presidential bid. The Supreme Court is in GREAT hands now, no forcing their will on people any more with their findings like before. So go on hating him, I won't say anything (because I mostly agree with you) but do not blame him for Obama like tactics which you applaud.
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zitothebrave said:
I lived in the fifth largest(?) city in NJ with a rich and diverse population that was pretty close to NYC and Philly and have never felt fear of terrorism. Yes I rode NJ Transit, Patco, PATH, etc. I've never thought about my train being blown up. I spend more time worrying about other things.

And there are things you can do to make us safer. Bombing civilians isn't one of them.
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Where was this when Obama was bombing them?
 
zitothebrave said:
I lived in the fifth largest(?) city in NJ with a rich and diverse population that was pretty close to NYC and Philly and have never felt fear of terrorism. Yes I rode NJ Transit, Patco, PATH, etc. I've never thought about my train being blown up. I spend more time worrying about other things.
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I work in the largest city in New England (which was subject to a terrorist attack in recent history) and while I'm not actively worried about a terrorist attack, I am nevertheless aware of the reality of the world that I live in.

And there are things you can do to make us safer. Bombing civilians isn't one of them.
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Who was talking about bombing civilians?
 
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