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Miller averages over a strikeout more per 9. Less than a half a walk less.

There isn't a huge gap between the 2, but I woudl say Miller has been a bit better.

Waiwright had given up 8 er in last 30 innings before last 2 bad starts.
 
Julio3000 said:
That's it. "Analysts" struggle for traction when they look at the team and don't see someone who's been bestowed the accolade of "ace" or a guy with eye-popping offensive numbers.
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It's lazy. Being an "analyst" on ESPN has to be the easiest job in the world.
 
The scary thing is that there isn't a SINGLE player on this roster that we should expect to regress next year outside of CJ's BA (he is probably a .280-.290 hitter). Every single other player should pretty much expect to be BETTER next year, or at the very worst, the same.

BJ and Uggla can't possibly be any worse next year. Justin should find some more consistency as he matures. Heyward will eventually run out of odd injuries that can possibly happen to him (just go ahead and have his tonsils removed as a precautionary measure this offseason). Freeman should continue to improve steadily, likely in the power department. Simmons' defense will remain steady, and he should only get better at the plate. Mac should keep being Mac, and Gattis should be able to learn how to hit a curve eventually.

I won't go through all the pitchers, but none of them are having some freak year, and all have plenty of room to improve (except Kimbrel obviously).
 
CyYoung31 said:
It's lazy. Being an "analyst" on ESPN has to be the easiest job in the world.
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Job requirements:

1) Complete a career in MLB (on-field or front office).
2) Lack any thoughtfulness or insight.
3) Absolutely nothing else.

I'm pretty sure they don't drug-test, either.
 
Enscheff said:
The scary thing is that there isn't a SINGLE player on this roster that we should expect to regress next year outside of CJ's BA (he is probably a .280-.290 hitter). Every single other player should pretty much expect to be BETTER next year, or at the very worst, the same.

BJ and Uggla can't possibly be any worse next year. Justin should find some more consistency as he matures. Heyward will eventually run out of odd injuries that can possibly happen to him (just go ahead and have his tonsils removed as a precautionary measure this offseason). Freeman should continue to improve steadily, likely in the power department. Simmons' defense will remain steady, and he should only get better at the plate. Mac should keep being Mac, and Gattis should be able to learn how to hit a curve eventually.

I won't go through all the pitchers, but none of them are having some freak year, and all have plenty of room to improve (except Kimbrel obviously).
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How many times have we said that about Uggla?

Well, 3 I guess. But, the point still stands.
 
gilesfan said:
Miller averages over a strikeout more per 9. Less than a half a walk less.

There isn't a huge gap between the 2, but I woudl say Miller has been a bit better.

Waiwright had given up 8 er in last 30 innings before last 2 bad starts.
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Teheran WAR - 3.1

Miller WAR - 2.8

Teheran ERA+ - 129

Miller ERA+ - 117

Teheran has been every bit the pitcher that Miller has and probably has been better.
 
What we should be looking at is how good Miller and Teheran are right now, what they did in April doesnt really have relevance to October. Second half stats so far Teheran in 8 starts 48.1 innings 2.23 ERA 35 hits 19 walks 54 k's. Miller in 7 starts 39.1 innings 3.66 ERA 38 hits 15 walks 42 k's. To be fair to Miller I took out his start where he got hit by a line drive by the second batter of the game and was removed. Teheran has been more consistent posting an ERA under 3 since the first month of the season. Miller has an ERA over 4 in June and August.
 
gilesfan said:
The Cards have Shelby Miller, who is every bit of an ace.

I think it's pretty wide open in the NL. Lean Cards (kinda have to, they are proven winners and have 2 guys that can stack up with anyone).
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Miller is not an ace. He's been very shaky lately. He's not an ace yet.
 
thethe said:
Didn't you know? Every team is better than the Braves to GF.
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It's like Braves fans aren't allowed to be excited about anyone, ever. GF always has to try and shut it down.
And Miller is not an ace yet. I don't think Teheran is, either. That term gets thrown around too much sometimes. Wainwright is an ace. Miller is not Wainwright.
 
yeezus said:
It's like Braves fans aren't allowed to be excited about anyone, ever. GF always has to try and shut it down.
And Miller is not an ace yet. I don't think Teheran is, either. That term gets thrown around too much sometimes. Wainwright is an ace. Miller is not Wainwright.
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Agreed, it's ridiculous everytime someone brings up a Braves player, he bashes them or whatnot. When people say good things about one.

As posted above, the numbers are basically identical.

Neither are aces, they don't have the track record as of this moment but if Miller is one, so is Julio.
 
Teheran has been trending up, Miller down.
Miller will still be really good, but I trust Teheran more right now.
 
Enscheff said:
The scary thing is that there isn't a SINGLE player on this roster that we should expect to regress next year outside of CJ's BA (he is probably a .280-.290 hitter). Every single other player should pretty much expect to be BETTER next year, or at the very worst, the same.

BJ and Uggla can't possibly be any worse next year. Justin should find some more consistency as he matures. Heyward will eventually run out of odd injuries that can possibly happen to him (just go ahead and have his tonsils removed as a precautionary measure this offseason). Freeman should continue to improve steadily, likely in the power department. Simmons' defense will remain steady, and he should only get better at the plate. Mac should keep being Mac, and Gattis should be able to learn how to hit a curve eventually.

I won't go through all the pitchers, but none of them are having some freak year, and all have plenty of room to improve (except Kimbrel obviously).
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Might as well make him wear one of those softball facemask helmets, a Barry Bonds style elbow guard, and see if he can just wear catcher's shin guards when he bats.
 
So nothing jumps out about us and other teams look better on paper, yet, we have the best record in baseball.

Sounds to me like Fredi Gonzalez deserves manager of the year then. Doubt that happens though.
 
Garmel said:
Wite anxiety disorder I don't expect him to hold up well in the playoffs.
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will someone please look up grienke's post season numbers they are awful with a capital A and when exactly has kershaw stArted a postseAson game? Nolasco hasn't impressed me and we all seen a lot out of him they're pen can't touch atours. The dodgers can be beaten 2 aces or not we had 3 did that make us automatic? How about mussina,Clemens and pettite

Oh yAh they lost to Beckett Burnett and penny
 
yeezus said:
It's like Braves fans aren't allowed to be excited about anyone, ever. GF always has to try and shut it down.
And Miller is not an ace yet. I don't think Teheran is, either. That term gets thrown around too much sometimes. Wainwright is an ace. Miller is not Wainwright.
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Ive noticed that for the longest regarding GF. Bitter Nats fan.
 
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