Sunday braves at phillies

I really don't think it's too bad for the rebuild to get another top 5 pick. We will be so loaded with talent in the minors and flush with cash we can have a legit FA signing, a big trade, and further development of our young guys that next year our window will open up. 2018 was always way more realistic than 2017, and us playing like crap does nothing to deter me from thinking that.

I'm mainly pleased because of Folty's game. His development is way more important than the result of this season. Inciarte will be his normal 3-3.5 win self by the end of the year and Swanson will end up decent at worst.
 
auyushu said:
Perhaps by not sticking those guys in the #1 and #2 spots of the order right in front of your best hitters. Might be a good start.
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I don't know good start, but I always thought Phillips should be the #2 guy. He has not hit there in his career much, but he has the right approach and past success to hopefully not put too much pressure on himself. 1 game worked well.

We will still see about Ender...he seems to be mirroring last April.
 
Oklahomabrave said:
I'm mainly pleased because of Folty's game. His development is way more important than the result of this season. ...
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Folty has looked really good the last 2 starts. If that is becoming his norm, then we have a TOR on our hands. If by mid-season we feel like we have 2 TOR (Folty and Julio), we are going to be in pretty good shape leading to the trade deadline.
 
bravesguy said:
It is not exactly his fault. The offense is pathetic right now.

Ender - .208

Dansby - .139

Garcia - .194

Suzuki - .160

Peterson (while Kemp out) - .192

How do you expect to win like that?
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I would have used our great trade assets and high picks to acquire a few more position players
 
thewupk said:
Folty with a 2.55 ERA and 3.13 FIP as a starter this year
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He is one of the most important parts of this season.

If Folty makes significant strides towards becoming a TOR starter (I still predict he is the true "Ace" by the end of the year, while Teheran will still be the sentimental "Ace"), that's one large step towards this season being a success.
 
Enscheff said:
He is one of the most important parts of this season.

If Folty makes significant strides towards becoming a TOR starter (I still predict he is the true "Ace" by the end of the year, while Teheran will still be the sentimental "Ace"), that's one large step towards this season being a success.
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I'm not sure if forty will pass jt this year or ever. But if he just becomes a 2.5 to 3 war pitcher that would be a success stories imo. His stuff has the potential to be higher though.
 
thewupk said:
I'm not sure if forty will pass jt this year or ever. But if he just becomes a 2.5 to 3 war pitcher that would be a success stories imo. His stuff has the potential to be higher though.
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His success matters more to the team than someone who will be gone in a year or two. It is a question of building value. Or to put it another way to add expected wins beyond 2017.

It looks to me like Freeman is moving from a player we might have projected as a 5 win player at the start of this year to someone we will project as a 7 win player going into 2018. That's probably the most significant development to the 2018 outlook so far this year. Folty could also be a significant development, for 2018 and beyond.
 
nsacpi said:
His success matters more to the team than someone who will be gone in a year or two. It is a question of building value. Or to put it another way to add expected wins beyond 2017.

It looks to me like Freeman is moving from a player we might have projected as a 5 win player at the start of this year to someone we will project as a 7 win player going into 2018. That's probably the most significant development to the 2018 outlook so far this year. Folty could also be a significant development, for 2018 and beyond.
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Things start to look a lot better for the rotation future if Folty turns out to be a 1,2, or 3 starter.
 
Trying to get us to a contender in 2018 and just not seeing the path.

Even if Folty becomes a 4 WAR pitcher, and Freeman is a 7 WAR guy, there's just too much weakness at C, 3B, LF, and RF to get around it.
 
sturg33 said:
Trying to get us to a contender in 2018 and just not seeing the path.

Even if Folty becomes a 4 WAR pitcher, and Freeman is a 7 WAR guy, there's just too much weakness at C, 3B, LF, and RF to get around it.
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Catcher could be Lucroy but I'd also give a look to Avila and Montero.

For third - How about a reunion with Yunel? Probably unlikely but the kind of solid player that we could use at the position.

LF - Disagree with your assessment

RF - The best way to deal with RF is to find a right handed bat to platoon with him. I don't think its realistic there is any way he is not on the team next year. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any fits so this will have to be acquired via a trade.

So assuming a scenario where Folty and Freeman develop to that level then its not hard to see a potential outcome of a playoff team. Its so early but Dickeys extension next year might look like a great contract. I have a lot of confidence that the FO will be able to acquire two SP's between FA, the minors, and trade.
 
thethe said:
Catcher could be Lucroy but I'd also give a look to Avila and Montero.

For third - How about a reunion with Yunel? Probably unlikely but the kind of solid player that we could use at the position.

LF - Disagree with your assessment

RF - The best way to deal with RF is to find a right handed bat to platoon with him. I don't think its realistic there is any way he is not on the team next year. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any fits so this will have to be acquired via a trade.

So assuming a scenario where Folty and Freeman develop to that level then its not hard to see a potential outcome of a playoff team. Its so early but Dickeys extension next year might look like a great contract. I have a lot of confidence that the FO will be able to acquire to SP's between FA, the minors, and trade.
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Well (small sample) but Freeman has been there, and Folty is producing there now.

And we still suck
 
sturg33 said:
Well (small sample) but Freeman has been there, and Folty is producing there now.

And we still suck
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Right now we do. But if you are going to use the performance of Inciarte/Swanson as the norm moving forward then I most certainly agree. I do not see this team in playoff contention next year.
 
sturg33 said:
Trying to get us to a contender in 2018 and just not seeing the path.

Even if Folty becomes a 4 WAR pitcher, and Freeman is a 7 WAR guy, there's just too much weakness at C, 3B, LF, and RF to get around it.
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48 wins is your replacement value starting point. We should be able to upgrade the bench and pen (to say 7 wins). Freddie is 7. That gets us to 62.

To get to 85 we need another 23 from the five starting pitchers and 7 position players. Or 2 per player. Some guys (Ender, Teheran) we can project at 3 or so. So we actually have some room for a couple 1 win performers. The problem is right now we have RF, C, SS, 3B, and 2 spots in the rotation as positions where we are not at the point where I could comfortably project 2 wins in 2018. That's too many. We need to whittle that down.
 
WaitingFor2017 said:
6-12 record losing 6 straight....and 7 of the next 10 games are against the Mets and their great pitching.

In the next 10 games, Atlanta will see the following pitchers:

Syndergaard twice

Harvey twice

deGrom

Wheeler

Jimmy Nelson

You can then extend the schedule to 3 games at home against the Cardinals where they will face:

Wacha

Martinez

Wainwright

It's a distinct possibility that this team could be 8-23 or so after these next 13 games.
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This post is aging well.
 
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