The Trump Presidency

Lincoln was almost universally hated from inauguration until Sherman burned Atlanta. The South succeeding wasn't a whole lot different than the American Revolution. The South are just labeled the bad guys because they wanted the freedom to enslave black people. The North didn't like black people anymore than The South they just didn't have an economic interest in slavery.
 
Wasnt the north sold on the idea that the civil war was about States rights and months after the war began, Lincoln said the war was about slavery? The north revolted and went ape**** because they didn't agree with slavery but they didn't want to die for it.

The North was sold on the idea that the Civil War was about preserving the Union (Lincoln said as much over and over again) and yes you are correct they did indeed go ape**** whenever Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, hundreds of white Union soldiers threw down their weapons and stomped off the battlefield. Zeet and Cajun are right to a point in that the South fought (in their minds anyway) for state's rights, and yes the ability to own slaves was a big part of that to them, though not the only part. I would say that the ability to leave the Union voluntarily (just like they entered it voluntarily) was a close #2 to the right to own slaves in their minds.

Beds is right about the big time theologians of the day in the South were the buttkissers of slave owners because if you take 4 or 5 verses out of the Bible totally out of context like major theologians like to do it makes it sound like the Bible favored the use of black people as slaves, but of course anybody who actually reads what Jesus said would know he was 100% against any type of slavery, physical or spiritual. This is why I favor theologians like Bedell. He and I don't always agree on everything but I know his heart is in the right place no matter what he preaches. That goes a long way with me.

This attitude is why there are Southern Baptists as opposed to just "baptist Baptists". At their national convention around 1850 (sorry, I don't recall the exact year) the Baptists from the south got their undies in such a bunch about their denomination officially saying "Hell Yeah" about slavery that they split with the northern Baptists. This is just how insane people allow politicians to manipulate their thinking. They get used and don't even realize it.

So to recap:

Union-we must preserve the Union (1861-1862)..........Lincoln has to keep Britain and France out of the war so he issues the EP (1863-1865) we must free the slaves...grumble grumble grumble, oh well we want to win and as long as the slaves stay down there after the war I guess we can live with it. After all if the former slaves (for after the war) come up here we'll be saying "they took our jobs", and we have millions of immigrants coming into this country every year to abuse and they actually look like us and speak our language so...

South-we must fight for states rights, ie keep our slaves but also be able to leave the union if we so choose, just like we entered into the union when we so chose. And if leaving the union allows us to keep our slaves then "hell yeah". Another part of states' rights that doesn't get mentioned all that much was "and we won't be told what to do by any damn Yankee, even if that damn Yankee is right about A particular issue, like slavery".

I would use a more modern example to illustrate this point and if you think I ruffle feathers when I talk about the Civil War you'll love this one.

A woman should absolutely have the right to choose what goes on in and with her own body. I agree, hell yeah!! Wait I had sex without using birth control (and there's only like 900 different kinds out there that are practically free if not flat out free) well now I choose to take the life of the body that's growing inside my body because my body is the only body that's really a living body and well it's complicated (just like the Civil War causes and reasons). It's literally like jumping out of a plane but not taking your parachute and then 1/2 way down I declare I have the right to decide what goes on with and about my body so I will legislate that I can fly back up into that plane because "it's my choice".

So:

woman's right to choose what goes on in her own body, hell yeah!

woman's right to choose what goes on in another body, legally hell yeah, morally hell no.

Oh and don't think I"m just blaming the woman, except for this one time I heard about around 2000 years ago there was a guy involved and he shouldn't be able to just walk away and join the chorus of "stone that beeotch".

Just my long winded opinions. It's kind of early, I'm still kind of delirious. :)
 
Matthew Yglesias‏Verified account @mattyglesias 2m2 minutes ago

It's fake surprising that none of the 100 Days coverage focused on email protocol issues that we spent a year pretending to care about.

whatever came out of the of Benghazi hearings?
Any recommendations on moving forward, security or communication upgrades ?

Or was it like some of us thought a witch hunt / fishing expedition
to politically tarnish someone while grandstanding

Now you have a guy that had no idea how "hard" being President is, cozies up to brutal dictators while giving our heritage to the highest bidders.
Not to mention undoing a generations worth of science.

But hey, an email server in a basement that no one has yet to prove where any harm was done.
Except Podesta missed a pizza date with his wife
 
Lincoln was almost universally hated from inauguration until Sherman burned Atlanta. The South succeeding wasn't a whole lot different than the American Revolution. The South are just labeled the bad guys because they wanted the freedom to enslave black people. The North didn't like black people anymore than The South they just didn't have an economic interest in slavery.

That's a pretty easy thing to label someone as a bad guy for. Your sentence is an incredibly blase way to describe something heinous. Also it's massively ironic that the phrase said is "freedom to enslave" the freedom to deny someone else from the basic human rights and freedoms.

ALso to you last point there were plenty of Northerners who wanted blacks to be equal to whites. But it was a political poison pill so they backed way down on what they really wanted.
 
Not really, I have a heck of a time convincing some people the police are bad people. And I know about abolishionists but I still think a vast majority in the north did not want equality for blacks. So it's a war vs those that want to enslave blacks versus those that tho k they should just be second class citizens. So it's Hitler fighting Stalin, there was no good side, just a lesser bad side.
 
I saw where a bunch of Columbia students are "horrified" at their 150 year olf statue of Thomas Jefferson because he was a slave owner, and are petitioning to have it removed.

I'd like to live a day in the life of a modern day liberal so I can experience this fear and horror of political uncorrectness.
 
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I saw where a bunch of Columbia students are "horrified" at their 150 year olf statue of Thomas Jefferson because he was a slave owner, and are petitioning to have it removed.

I'd like to live a day in the life of a modern day liberal so I can experience this fear and horror of political uncorrectness.

Will you prevent conservative speakers from speaking at schools than turn around and say trump is against free speech?
 
I saw where a bunch of Columbia students are "horrified" at their 150 year olf statue of Thomas Jefferson because he was a slave owner, and are petitioning to have it removed.

I'd like to live a day in the life of a modern day liberal so I can experience this fear and horror of political uncorrectness.

Seems like a person who gets pretty wound up about the loss of liberty involved in income tax and government-negotiated medical reimbursements would be able to conjure up a little horror at the thought of the loss of liberty involved in chattel slavery.
 
Will you prevent conservative speakers from speaking at schools than turn around and say trump is against free speech?

No one prevented her from speaking -- she has a right to a soap box in a corner like any one else. Even Garmel and AA
She also is subject to others free speech and can be heckled,booed and shouted down

I don't think you understand the 1st Amendment. It does not guarantee ones right to yell fire in a theater or does it protect one from being disinvited to a paid speaking gig.
should Coulter be dragged away and jailed for her speech then you would have a point. That is not what happened

In the end, has there ever been a pity peddler bigger than Coulter? With her it is always something. And it is usually about her hurt feelings.

Wonder what her speaking fee was ?

https://newrepublic.com/article/142218/colleges-right-reject-hateful-speakers-like-ann-coulter
 
It's been a while since any one here stood up and said " yeah, I support Trump"
c'mon snowflake

Daniel Lin‏ @DLin71 40m40 minutes ago

TRUMP (yesterday): I would've used my dealmaking skills to prevent the Civil War

TRUMP (today): I can't get anything through a GOP Congress
 
Yes, it was largely about the right to own slaves. The state's claimed the right to do whatever they saw fit and the federal government said no. It was just the slavery issue that caused enough tension to cause the war. Even if the South won slavery would not have lasted anyways. It would have just morphed into a different form of slavery like we have today in America. Now we just make arbitrary laws and strictly enforce them on the people least able to defend themselves and call them criminals to justify their enslavement.

Sounds like a pretty good defense of a powerful federal government to me.
 
Not really, I have a heck of a time convincing some people the police are bad people. And I know about abolishionists but I still think a vast majority in the north did not want equality for blacks. So it's a war vs those that want to enslave blacks versus those that tho k they should just be second class citizens. So it's Hitler fighting Stalin, there was no good side, just a lesser bad side.

I think that's a bit extreme, though I understand the general point of the comparison. In the case of Stalin vs. Hitler it was ultimately a debate between which mass murderer is less evil, whereas I think there's a pretty clear separation between literal enslavement vs. old time racism. I feel like there's a pretty clear moral choice in the Civil War, regardless of the extent to which the North accepted racial equality.
 
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So, either go nuclear on policy legislation or shut down the government. We have a tremendous leader.
 
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So, either go nuclear on policy legislation or shut down the government. We have a tremendous leader.

The vaunted dealmaking skills have not been on display so far. He can't even get a deal in his own caucus (witness another whip count ****show on the HC bill this week).

Yet again, it's amateur hour.
 
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i'm amazed any of them made it with this hardship as children
 
Seems like a person who gets pretty wound up about the loss of liberty involved in income tax and government-negotiated medical reimbursements would be able to conjure up a little horror at the thought of the loss of liberty involved in chattel slavery.

Please.

I can recognize the horrors of slavery while simultaneously recognizing that Thomas ducking Jefferson was a really important figure of our nation's history.

That's why I had an issue with governments forcing removal of Confederate flags... It leads to more nonsense like this.

We shouldn't deny out history and pretend it never happened.

But please, by all means, support these losers who need playdough bc Donald Trump won the presidency
 
Please.

I can recognize the horrors of slavery while simultaneously recognizing that Thomas ducking Jefferson was a really important figure of our nation's history.

That's why I had an issue with governments forcing removal of Confederate flags... It leads to more nonsense like this.

We shouldn't deny out history and pretend it never happened.

But please, by all means, support these losers who need playdough bc Donald Trump won the presidency

Hmm. The horror that I most often hear you express is the stuff I mentioned.

I don't disagree with you at all about TJ. On the other hand, that has ****all to do with the Confederate flag, so I'm not really sure why you felt the need to take it there.
 
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