BP management

smootness said:
Most teams are in the dark ages in BP management. Maddon has been more in the dark ages this year than anybody.

I definitely want to see teams throughout baseball, and obviously the Braves first and foremost, use their bullpen more optimally. But we also don't really have the kind of elite BP arms that allow for the kind of real optimization I would like. And the one advantage you have when waiting to use your best arm(s) is that you have them ready whenever they need to come in. So if you use your best guy in the 8th, you have the decision to make to either pull him for the 9th or keep him out there. And if you pull him, you no longer have him as an option if the lesser guy finds himself in trouble in the 9th.

If the lesser guy finds himself in trouble in the 8th, you can bring in your best arm to get you out of that and then finish it off in the 9th.
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There is built in rest for your best guy too. If you are pitching him in the biggest jams whenever they arise, he's not getting much rest.

I'm guessing that is a major reason why no one uses their pen that way. Also, closers don't like being used that way.
 
Southcack77 said:
There is built in rest for your best guy too. If you are pitching him in the biggest jams whenever they arise, he's not getting much rest.

I'm guessing that is a major reason why no one uses their pen that way. Also, closers don't like being used that way.
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The market will absolutely have to adapt before you're going to get a lot of closers buying into being used in a bunch of non-save situations.

There is always the issue of managing to win vs. managing to get through the season. It is more effective to use your best RP for the toughest situations, I don't think there's any doubt about that. The other factors are rest and when to take them out after those situations vs. having them continue in that game. It's never an extremely easy decision.

That said, I don't think the 'he's my closer, so he pitches the 9th' approach is the best way to do it at all, especially once you hit the postseason.
 
smootness said:
That said, I don't think the 'he's my closer, so he pitches the 9th' approach is the best way to do it at all, especially once you hit the postseason.
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/ptsd

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Hawk said:
/ptsd

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Now we are way off topic, but has anyone seen what Kimbrel is doing this year?

19.2 IP, 36 K, 2 BB (18 K/BB ratio is absolutely insane), 0.92 ERA, 0.49 FIP...so his ERA is due to regress even lower.

Good thing the Braves used him to unload BJ and used that cash to sign Markakis to lead this team to 68 wins!
 
Enscheff said:
Now we are way off topic, but has anyone seen what Kimbrel is doing this year?

19.2 IP, 36 K, 2 BB (18 K/BB ratio is absolutely insane), 0.92 ERA, 0.49 FIP...so his ERA is due to regress even lower.

Good thing the Braves used him to unload BJ and used that cash to sign Markakis to lead this team to 68 wins!
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Yes, he is filth...oh, you didn't actually want to talk about Kimbrel, you just wanted to troll. Cool.
 
Enscheff said:
Now we are way off topic, but has anyone seen what Kimbrel is doing this year?

19.2 IP, 36 K, 2 BB (18 K/BB ratio is absolutely insane), 0.92 ERA, 0.49 FIP...so his ERA is due to regress even lower.

Good thing the Braves used him to unload BJ and used that cash to sign Markakis to lead this team to 68 wins!
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Yeah, it's really great that they signed Markakis five months before they traded Upton. Not defending the Markakis signing, but it had nothing to do with the Upton trade.
 
Enscheff said:
Now we are way off topic, but has anyone seen what Kimbrel is doing this year?

19.2 IP, 36 K, 2 BB (18 K/BB ratio is absolutely insane), 0.92 ERA, 0.49 FIP...so his ERA is due to regress even lower.

Good thing the Braves used him to unload BJ and used that cash to sign Markakis to lead this team to 68 wins!
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Unfortunately, yes. I live in Boston so I've been able to watch him a lot. He's in vintage form - only two runs given up all season.

Of course, don't forget that we were all told that his arm was going to fall off in 2015 anyways.

Seeing people walk around in Price/Sale/Kimbrel/Betts jerseys serves to constantly remind me just how far the Braves have to go.
 
Hawk said:
Unfortunately, yes. I live in Boston so I've been able to watch him a lot. He's in vintage form - only two runs given up all season.

Of course, don't forget that we were all told that his arm was going to fall off in 2015 anyways.

Seeing people walk around in Price/Sale/Kimbrel/Betts jerseys serves to constantly remind me just how far the Braves have to go.
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And yet the Braves are only 2.5 games behind Boston for overall record.

**edit-- and no that is not what I am saying..
 
@mlbbowman
The Braves bullpen hasn't allowed a hit over its past 15.1 IP. This is the club's longest such streak in Atlanta history (since 1966).

that is not all on our 4 headed monster too. Neat stat imo..
 
Enscheff said:
Now we are way off topic, but has anyone seen what Kimbrel is doing this year?

19.2 IP, 36 K, 2 BB (18 K/BB ratio is absolutely insane), 0.92 ERA, 0.49 FIP...so his ERA is due to regress even lower.

Good thing the Braves used him to unload BJ and used that cash to sign Markakis to lead this team to 68 wins!
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To be fair, had the Braves kept Kimbrel you would be bitching about a craptastic team spending $13MM per year on a closer. As would a lot of us for that matter.

It does suck to see him in a Bandwagon Sox uniform though.
 
DirkPiggler said:
To be fair, had the Braves kept Kimbrel you would be bitching about a craptastic team spending $13MM per year on a closer. As would a lot of us for that matter.

It does suck to see him in a Bandwagon Sox uniform though.
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Had the Braves traded him for max future return, I wouldn't be bitching. Same deal with Simmons.

Trading Kimbrel was the right move to make for a rebuilding team.
 
You all know good and well the Markakis signing and BJ trade were meant to be budget neutral.

But don't let me slow down the derptard circle jerk you guys have going in this thread. Keep quoting and congratulating each other!
 
Enscheff said:
You all know good and well the Markakis signing and BJ trade were meant to be budget neutral.

But don't let me slow down the derptard circle jerk you guys have going in this thread. Keep quoting and congratulating each other!
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No one thinks that. You just lazy and derped all over yourself.
 
Enscheff said:
You all know good and well the Markakis signing and BJ trade were meant to be budget neutral.

But don't let me slow down the derptard circle jerk you guys have going in this thread. Keep quoting and congratulating each other!
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Were you in the room when the decision was made? For a guy who seems to depend some much on hard data as you do, you seem to take some direct causal leaps.
 
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