The Trump Presidency

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Hawk said:
You might have to live with expensive French reds for a while, but according to jpx Maricopa is on the rise.
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It's all in Yavapai and Cochise. Too hot for anything besides citrus and olds in Marikkkopa.
 
Trump just created a great get out of the vote wedge issue for youth today. Not gonna say the election is over because we might get another meh candidate, but he's done a good job today of helping the opposition form.
 
57Brave said:
Can you tell me by name and jurisdiction what "less regulations" contributed to the jobs report ?

There are reports of deregulation Trump has promised but no record of them being implemented .

Even if signed by executive order they would take months to actually go into effect
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I recognize that government leeches like yourself are not capable of looking beyond tomorrow (THE INHUMANE CUTS!!!)

But business people look forward. And if they believe their tax burden or regulation burden will be lessened, they get ahead of that and invest.

US businesses spent $1.7 trillion dollars last year complying with regulations... that would be the 7th largest economy in the world. Do you think that's appropriate? Do you not understand how that money could be better allocated?
 
Climate change is a hoax conspiracy, BUT if the Democrats who are obstructing want to negotiate our way back in to the Paris agreement I'm open to it.

lol
 
sturg33 said:
I recognize that government leeches like yourself are not capable of looking beyond tomorrow (THE INHUMANE CUTS!!!)

But business people look forward. And if they believe their tax burden or regulation burden will be lessened, they get ahead of that and invest.

US businesses spent $1.7 trillion dollars last year complying with regulations... that would be the 7th largest economy in the world. Do you think that's appropriate? Do you not understand how that money could be better allocated?
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It could also be more inappropriately or more poorly allocated than it is now. Given that capitalism inherently reduces wealth to the owners of wealth, I'd expect less regulation (if not lesser tax rates) to make things worse, not better, for most folks.
 
jpx7 said:
It could also be more inappropriately or more poorly allocated than it is now. Given that capitalism inherently reduces wealth to the owners of wealth, I'd expect less regulation (if not lesser tax rates) to make things worse, not better, for most folks.
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If only we had capitalism...

I know that you're a self-identified socialist, so that is fine. But the regulation burden actually helps big businesses, not hurt them. They can afford all the lawyers, while the small businesses can't compete.
 
sturg33 said:
If only we had capitalism...

I know that you're a self-identified socialist, so that is fine. But the regulation burden actually helps big businesses, not hurt them. They can afford all the lawyers, while the small businesses can't compete.
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I don't necessarily dispute that compliance can be more difficult and/or more costly (relative to means) for smaller businesses, but I also don't think that means throwing the baby out with the bath-water. But I also dispute that such compliance expenditures will just naturally be better allocated, as you suggest, especially from a common-weal standpoint.
 
I don't know the ins and outs of the Paris deal so I'm not going to comment on that, but Trump's line about representing Pittsburgh and not Paris was a pretty damn good line.
 
weso1 said:
I don't know the ins and outs of the Paris deal so I'm not going to comment on that, but Trump's line about representing Pittsburgh and not Paris was a pretty damn good line.
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The ins and outs of the deal was it was a horribly stupid waste of money and good for Trump for leaving.
 
sturg33 said:
The ins and outs of the deal was it was a horribly stupid waste of money and good for Trump for leaving.
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Yes: awesome for the US to join Syria and Nicaragua as the only nations actively avoiding a global agreement that seeks to curtail human-produced waste and thus avoid destroying the delicately-balanced globe that is, currently, our only vessel through the cosmos.

I didn't realize give me liberty or give me death covered extinction-level events.
 
jpx7 said:
Yes: awesome for the US to join Syria and Nicaragua as the only nations actively avoiding a global agreement that seeks to curtail human-produced waste and thus avoid destroying the delicately-balanced globe that is, currently, our only vessel through the cosmos.
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Or a deal to have a massive transfer of wealth from the US to other countries. And if the climate goal reductions are met, it means absolutely nothing.

See my post in the fun facts thread.

don't fall into nonsensical hysteria
 
sturg33 said:
A great decision to leave this stupid deal... well done by the president.
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sturg33 said:
I recognize that government leeches like yourself are not capable of looking beyond tomorrow (THE INHUMANE CUTS!!!)

But business people look forward. And if they believe their tax burden or regulation burden will be lessened, they get ahead of that and invest.

US businesses spent $1.7 trillion dollars last year complying with regulations... that would be the 7th largest economy in the world. Do you think that's appropriate? Do you not understand how that money could be better allocated?
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What?
 
jpx7 said:
Yes: awesome for the US to join Syria and Nicaragua as the only nations actively avoiding a global agreement that seeks to curtail human-produced waste and thus avoid destroying the delicately-balanced globe that is, currently, our only vessel through the cosmos.

I didn't realize give me liberty or give me death covered extinction-level events.
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Everyone else is doing it and thus we should as well is a lame ass argument. Also, the planet will be fine. The question is quality of human life on the planet. Economics and environment both play a big role in that. Is the balance between the two good for humans or bad for humans? Do you know?
 
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