Yelich

[Horsehide Harry]

Hahaha, true, but there's lowball offers and then there's centering a package around Touki Toussaint! haha, but I think you're idea of Yelich is a good one, definitely the type of piece we should be targeting and as much as we fall in love with our specs; we can't keep them all.

Again, I think you could get Yelich relatively cheap IF you are willing to take on other salary. Yelich, Stanton, Prado, Volquez for a package like: Wisler, Blair, Ruiz, Harrington, Cumberland

Generally you don't see blockbusters like that in the middle of a season but the Marlins are in the unique circumstances of trying to sell and being hindered by payroll obligations (specifically Stanton).

That move would create some issues for the Braves in what to do with Kemp and Markakis in the short term because of Yelich and Stanton but Prado bridges third to Demerritte, Riley or Maitan and Volqueez steps in for any of the three of Dickey, Ramirez or Colon for a year bridging to the young pitching.

CF Inciarte
2B Albies
1B Freeman
RF Stanton
LF Kemp/Yelich
3B Prado
C Flowers/Suzuki
P
SS Swanson

with Acuna, Demerritte, Riley all relatively close looks like a good, productive ML line-up with flexibility for at least 4-5 years.

 

[Preacher]

Again, I think you could get Yelich relatively cheap IF you are willing to take on other salary. Yelich, Stanton, Prado, Volquez for a package like: Wisler, Blair, Ruiz, Harrington, Cumberland

Generally you don't see blockbusters like that in the middle of a season but the Marlins are in the unique circumstances of trying to sell and being hindered by payroll obligations (specifically Stanton).

That move would create some issues for the Braves in what to do with Kemp and Markakis in the short term because of Yelich and Stanton but Prado bridges third to Demerritte, Riley or Maitan and Volqueez steps in for any of the three of Dickey, Ramirez or Colon for a year bridging to the young pitching.

CF Inciarte

2B Albies

1B Freeman

RF Stanton

LF Kemp/Yelich

3B Prado

C Flowers/Suzuki

P

SS Swanson

with Acuna, Demerritte, Riley all relatively close looks like a good, productive ML line-up with flexibility for at least 4-5 years.

You may be right, but I don't think we can take on that Stanton contract. I guess I don't know where our payroll specifically is going, but that contract is paying out $25million+ through his age 38 season, I don't see how that's a possibility for us.

 

[Russ2dollas]

Again, I think you could get Yelich relatively cheap IF you are willing to take on other salary. Yelich, Stanton, Prado, Volquez for a package like: Wisler, Blair, Ruiz, Harrington, Cumberland

Generally you don't see blockbusters like that in the middle of a season but the Marlins are in the unique circumstances of trying to sell and being hindered by payroll obligations (specifically Stanton).

That move would create some issues for the Braves in what to do with Kemp and Markakis in the short term because of Yelich and Stanton but Prado bridges third to Demerritte, Riley or Maitan and Volqueez steps in for any of the three of Dickey, Ramirez or Colon for a year bridging to the young pitching.

CF Inciarte

2B Albies

1B Freeman

RF Stanton

LF Kemp/Yelich

3B Prado

C Flowers/Suzuki

P

SS Swanson

with Acuna, Demerritte, Riley all relatively close looks like a good, productive ML line-up with flexibility for at least 4-5 years.

I don't think Yelich will be cheap. HE shouldn't be.

IMO it is much more palitable to do the monster deal with the Marlins.

I am thinking Yelich by himself is Albies + Allard + a third top 30 piece. What if last year was an outlier? What if he is more of a 750-800 OPS guy than an 850 OPS guy.....then I don't want to pay so much. Not with Acuna and Demerrite and Dustin Peterson coming in as options for LF.

Maybe ALbies plus Peterson, Harrington and Markakis for Yelich and Prado

 

[thewupk]

You may be right, but I don't think we can take on that Stanton contract. I guess I don't know where our payroll specifically is going, but that contract is paying out $25million+ through his age 38 season, I don't see how that's a possibility for us.

Braves are spending 25 million on two 40+ year old pitchers right now. If Stanton is producing then it's really a non factor. The problem teams get into (like the Braves did with Uggla and BJ for example) is paying big money for replacement level to below average players.

 

[Horsehide Harry]

I don't think Yelich will be cheap. HE shouldn't be.

IMO it is much more palitable to do the monster deal with the Marlins.

I am thinking Yelich by himself is Albies + Allard + a third top 30 piece. What if last year was an outlier? What if he is more of a 750-800 OPS guy than an 850 OPS guy.....then I don't want to pay so much. Not with Acuna and Demerrite and Dustin Peterson coming in as options for LF.

Maybe ALbies plus Peterson, Harrington and Markakis for Yelich and Prado

The thing is everybody worries about the back end of Stanton's contract. But, if you could get him AND Yelich without having to give up premium prospects like Albies then chances are, even if you get stung a bit by the back in of Stanton's contract, it would still be worth it because of the value of the guys you're not trading away today.

 

[Horsehide Harry]

Braves are spending 25 million on two 40+ year old pitchers right now. If Stanton is producing then it's really a non factor. The problem teams get into (like the Braves did with Uggla and BJ for example) is paying big money for replacement level to below average players.

Agree and that's why it's a gamble. However, Stanton looks like he still has growth in his game and appears to be a hard worker who won't rest because he has a guaranteed contract. It's always possible he turns into Bobby Bonilla but I think he's closer to Dave Winfield.

 

[Preacher]

Braves are spending 25 million on two 40+ year old pitchers right now. If Stanton is producing then it's really a non factor. The problem teams get into (like the Braves did with Uggla and BJ for example) is paying big money for replacement level to below average players.

Well yea, if my choice is to spend $25million on either Stanton at 38 or Colon/Dickey in their 40s; I'd take Stanton, but that still doesn't make it wise.

But we've also been told payroll is going up, if that's the case it would make a lot more sense.

 

[TheBravos]

Again, I think you could get Yelich relatively cheap IF you are willing to take on other salary. Yelich, Stanton, Prado, Volquez for a package like: Wisler, Blair, Ruiz, Harrington, Cumberland

Generally you don't see blockbusters like that in the middle of a season but the Marlins are in the unique circumstances of trying to sell and being hindered by payroll obligations (specifically Stanton).

That move would create some issues for the Braves in what to do with Kemp and Markakis in the short term because of Yelich and Stanton but Prado bridges third to Demerritte, Riley or Maitan and Volqueez steps in for any of the three of Dickey, Ramirez or Colon for a year bridging to the young pitching.

CF Inciarte

2B Albies

1B Freeman

RF Stanton

LF Kemp/Yelich

3B Prado

C Flowers/Suzuki

P

SS Swanson

with Acuna, Demerritte, Riley all relatively close looks like a good, productive ML line-up with flexibility for at least 4-5 years.

What I'm thinking. New management might want to clean house and would be willing to sacrifice a good player to get out from under Stantons big contract. They really need to start over and Stanton is an anchor dragging them down.

 

[Preacher]

Maybe ALbies plus Peterson, Harrington and Markakis for Yelich and Prado

why would the Marlins care about Harrington or Peterson? And they are trying to shed salary/rebuild, why would they want Markakis? I don't see how a deal like that makes sense to them.

 

[thewupk]

Well yea, if my choice is to spend $25million on either Stanton at 38 or Colon/Dickey in their 40s; I'd take Stanton, but that still doesn't make it wise.

But we've also been told payroll is going up, if that's the case it would make a lot more sense.

Payroll hopefully will go up and the cost of salaries is likely to continue rising. 25-30 million gets you top tier talent right now. It's likely to get you someone like Justin Upton a decade from now. Also I'd really only consider it in an out of the box way to get a talent like Yelich who is good and cheap without giving up as much talent in return.

 

[Preacher]

Payroll hopefully will go up and the cost of salaries is likely to continue rising. 25-30 million gets you top tier talent right now. It's likely to get you someone like Justin Upton a decade from now. Also I'd really only consider it in an out of the box way to get a talent like Yelich who is good and cheap without giving up as much talent in return.

That's all fair, I wouldn't be completely opposed to it. Something to keep in mind when you look at the current composition of our team, we have $66.5 million tied up in Phillips, Dickey, Markakis, Kemp and Colon this year alone. So carrying the $25 million for Stanton could be done easily if the Coppy and the rest of the FO make intelligent decisions around him.

 

[thewupk]

That's all fair, I wouldn't be completely opposed to it. Something to keep in mind when you look at the current composition of our team, we have $66.5 million tied up in Phillips, Dickey, Markakis, Kemp and Colon this year alone. So carrying the $25 million for Stanton could be done easily if the Coppy and the rest of the FO make intelligent decisions around him.

That's really the key phrase here

 

[TheBravos]

2018

Stanton 25 mil

Prado 15 mil

Yelich 7 mil

Total- 47 mil

Braves total salary 2018:

75 mil - Nick (give him away if need be) 65 mil

Total salary with trade -

$65 + $47= $112 mil

It's doable and Marlins would clear an unGODly amount of payroll. That's keeping ALL of Kemp's salary.

We offer Sims, Touki and some other mods to help their farm.

 

[sturg33]

If the Braves are interested in a fast turnaround, acquiring Stanton & Yelich is a quick way to do it. Adding two 4-win players is not easy to do in other means (free agency / draft)

 

[CJ9]

If we are taking on the Stanton deal, im making them take on the last few years of the Kemp deal.

 

[Russ2dollas]

Braves are spending 25 million on two 40+ year old pitchers right now. If Stanton is producing then it's really a non factor. The problem teams get into (like the Braves did with Uggla and BJ for example) is paying big money for replacement level to below average players.

Agree. I said that in Harry's other Marlins blockbuster thread.

It would be ok if Stanton was good but overpaid. Kinda like Kemp, but hopefully better. The issue the Braves have had is that 3 WAR players like BJ go to negative WAR players instantly. If Stanton is a 4+ WAR player at the beginning of th deal and at the end of his deal is a 3 war player for a couple of years and ends as a 2 war player then you likely have won the gamble.......Sorry for that terrible sentence construction.

 

[Russ2dollas]

why would the Marlins care about Harrington or Peterson? And they are trying to shed salary/rebuild, why would they want Markakis? I don't see how a deal like that makes sense to them.

I was thinking:
Albies for Yelich and taking on the 15 million owed Prado in 2019.
Markakis almost evens out the money for Prado in 2018.
Peterson is a useful piece they can play in LF next year and might be a 1-2 WAR guy. CHEAP.
Harrington is a likely a cheap guy who can put up innings for them.

But like I said in the other Marlins trade thread, I could get behind the monster deal.
Get Yelich. Take on Stanton's deal and Stanton's money. Get Realmuto. Take on Prado's money. Take on Volquez's money. Etc

LIke the Dodgers and Rex Sox deal.

 

[TheBravos]

If we are taking on the Stanton deal, im making them take on the last few years of the Kemp deal.

Realistically they need a LF and 3rd baseman. Give them Nick (soon expiring contract but solid player), Rio, Sims, DPete whoever else...

 

[Southcack77]

Braves are spending 25 million on two 40+ year old pitchers right now. If Stanton is producing then it's really a non factor. The problem teams get into (like the Braves did with Uggla and BJ for example) is paying big money for replacement level to below average players.

Stanton hasn't always been worth that kind of money in his prime between injuries and the inability to make contact. Hard to believe he'll be worth much at all at 38.

 

[Russ2dollas]

Stanton hasn't always been worth that kind of money in his prime between injuries and the inability to make contact. Hard to believe he'll be worth much at all at 38.

Everyone agrees. But that is a gamble you would take to get a premium talent or talents without giving away the farm.

The Braves would have to gamble that in 2025 they are in a better place financially with winning, baseball increasing revenues, new tv deals, inflation and contracts quickly escalating.