THURSDAY MINORS THREAD 6/15 ... Soroka continues scoreless streak

thethe said:
If this continues you almost have to give him a shot to win a starting spot next year. AAA be damned....a 19 year old dominating like this will only learn at the big league level.
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The right thing to do would be to start him at AAA and use him as depth when another starter goes down to injury or under performs. Ideally after the super 2 date. If for no other reason than I cant take any more whining about service time.
 
I think you have to move Soroka to AAA soon. AA has stopped being a challenge for him. If he does well at AAA then you entertain the idea of him starting next season in Atlanta. If he shows he needs more time then you start him at AAA.
 
striker42 said:
I think you have to move Soroka to AAA soon. AA has stopped being a challenge for him. If he does well at AAA then you entertain the idea of him starting next season in Atlanta. If he shows he needs more time then you start him at AAA.
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Reasonable. AA certainly is not going to prepare him for the next level with the way things are going. These hitters have no chance against him.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
I haven't seen a lot of Soroka, but the guy is putting up insane numbers. Where would he be on our list of really good pitching prospects?

Allard, Soroka, Wright?
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I guess it all depends on which rationale you put into your prospect rankings. Do you give more weight to ceiling? Performance at the higher levels? Age relative to league? Scouting reports? It all varies and we will see many different variations of our top 10.

For my money Newcomb is one our 5 best prospects. I'll probably be alone in that assessment.

Acuna
Albies
Allard
Newcomb
Maitan
Soroka
Wright
Fried
Gohara
Touissant
 
cajunrevenge said:
The right thing to do would be to start him at AAA and use him as depth when another starter goes down to injury or under performs. Ideally after the super 2 date. If for no other reason than I cant take any more whining about service time.
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100x this.

He's 19. He's still filling out. No way he has built up his innings enough to be a starter in MLB. Unless we go six man rotation.

Results aren't close to everything in the minors. I prefer to read some non braves scouts on him

All year in aa
Next year in aaa and don't bring him up before roster expansion

Next years rotation should find out if sims Newcombe and weigel are starters or pen pieces
 
thethe said:
I guess it all depends on which rationale you put into your prospect rankings. Do you give more weight to ceiling? Performance at the higher levels? Age relative to league? Scouting reports? It all varies and we will see many different variations of our top 10.

For my money Newcomb is one our 5 best prospects. I'll probably be alone in that assessment.

Acuna
Albies
Allard
Newcomb
Maitan
Soroka
Wright
Fried
Gohara
Touissant
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Based on ceiling I agree

Combine ceiling with likely outcome and he'd be lower but still top 10
 
Enscheff said:
Derek Lowe always springs to mind as I research Soroka. Though Lowe never had anything close to the K numbers in the minors Soroka is putting up.
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People strike out more now

I haven't seen any non brace scout put a 2 on him. Most seem to be saying back end guy.

I feel like the consensus I read

Newcombe-no idea. Could be stUD. Could be closer. Could be somarja

Allard-2/3

Soroka-back end

Weigel-2-4....Klaw really likes him

Sims-pen

Anderson-2-4

Haven't seen much on wentz Wilson etc

The talking chop guys love soroka but they are homers. T

Doesn't mean they are wrong but I'd like to see soroka as a top 50 prospect before I dream on a 3 or better starter on a top 10 staff
 
Russ2dollas said:
People strike out more now

I haven't seen any non brace scout put a 2 on him. Most seem to be saying back end guy.

I feel like the consensus I read

Newcombe-no idea. Could be stUD. Could be closer. Could be somarja

Allard-2/3

Soroka-back end

Weigel-2-4....Klaw really likes him

Sims-pen

Anderson-2-4

Haven't seen much on wentz Wilson etc

The talking chop guys love soroka but they are homers. T

Doesn't mean they are wrong but I'd like to see soroka as a top 50 prospect before I dream on a 3 or better starter on a top 10 staff
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He's in the 60s on pipeline. That's pretty darn close.
 
Has anyone seen Soroka live. He has already filled out. Dude has a big sturdy frame with huge shoulders. I mean those are shoulders that enscheff dreams of rubbing. So he is built to start. I think mid season updates will have him as a 2 + ceiling. I would keep him in AA until we move some folks to legitimately open spots in AAA. I don't think he needs 40 man time at all this year. We already added Newk. We might add Weigel and Ozzie and we have rule five guys this off season. We can't just add everyone to the 40.
 
Super said:
I vote whole season in AA and at least half of next year in AAA. Even then he'll be really young.
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AAA has become somewhat of an elephant's graveyard with all the vets just trying to hang on, so the challenge aspect of AAA doesn't exist the way it used to. I agree with your time schedule.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Doesn't mean they are wrong but I'd like to see soroka as a top 50 prospect before I dream on a 3 or better starter on a top 10 staff
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I don't think you will have any problem seeing this, later this year. I'd think top 25 easily at this rate.
 
thewupk said:
Starting 2018 in the majors would be incredibly stupid.
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Yes we know. Service time reigns supreme. Pitchers are ticking time bombs. I'd rather get them up when they are ready. It's silly to protect pitchers for 5-7 years down the road. If he's ready get him up here.

Position players I would agree with though.
 
IslandBrave said:
He's in the 60s on pipeline. That's pretty darn close.
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Pipeline says "at worst" he has the ingredients to be an innings eating #3. They rate him #66.

Sometimes we have fights on here over misunderstanding the intended meanings of words, but I don't think a #3 with upside = "back end guy."
 
thethe said:
Yes we know. Service time reigns supreme. Pitchers are ticking time bombs. I'd rather get them up when they are ready. It's silly to protect pitchers for 5-7 years down the road. If he's ready get him up here.

Position players I would agree with though.
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Yes, service time is very important to mid market teams. The only thing it would accomplish is making you feel good about seeing your shiny new toy.
 
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