Rand Paul

Dude is a joke. His claim to fame is being the spawn of a guy who—hey, forget the racist newsletters for a moment—could get re-elected while basically saying "no" to everything which wasn't his own brand of crackpottery. . . which is really easy to do when you don't have the responsibility to actually govern. I've said it before here, but some perverse part of me wants to see L'il Rand get elected president, just to watch the meltdown.
 
Julio3000 said:
I've said it before here, but some perverse part of me wants to see L'il Rand get elected president, just to watch the meltdown.
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Oooohhh ...

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That could be pretty good theatre.

Like Macbeth, only I might end up one of the candles that's put out.
 
Julio3000 said:
Dude is a joke. His claim to fame is being the spawn of a guy who—hey, forget the racist newsletters for a moment—could get re-elected while basically saying "no" to everything which wasn't his own brand of crackpottery. . . which is really easy to do when you don't have the responsibility to actually govern. I've said it before here, but some perverse part of me wants to see L'il Rand get elected president, just to watch the meltdown.
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What makes him a joke?
 
Julio3000 said:
Dude is a joke. His claim to fame is being the spawn of a guy who—hey, forget the racist newsletters for a moment—could get re-elected while basically saying "no" to everything which wasn't his own brand of crackpottery. . . which is really easy to do when you don't have the responsibility to actually govern. I've said it before here, but some perverse part of me wants to see L'il Rand get elected president, just to watch the meltdown.
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Ron Paul's "no" votes were based on the following criteria...

"Does the US Constitution authorize the Federal Government to do xyz?"

If the answer was no, he would vote no. Just like he took an oath to do.
 
sturg33 said:
Ron Paul's "no" votes were based on the following criteria...

"Does Ron Paul's interpretation US Constitution authorize the Federal Government to do xyz?"
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FIFY.

Let me be clear . . . when I say "watch the meltdown," I don't mean watch the country melt down when an ZOMG Real Libbutarian is elected president and immediately abolishes the IRS and puts us on the gold standard, I mean watch the meltdown when the well-intentioned but naive Paulistas watch Big Baby Jesus turn into a run-of-the-mill Republican.
 
Julio3000 said:
FIFY.

Let me be clear . . . when I say "watch the meltdown," I don't mean watch the country melt down when an ZOMG Real Libbutarian is elected president and immediately abolishes the IRS and puts us on the gold standard, I mean watch the meltdown when the well-intentioned but naive Paulistas watch Big Baby Jesus turn into a run-of-the-mill Republican.
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I have serious doubts about Rand Paul's authenticity. I had none about Ron Paul.

But you didn't answer my question. What is it that makes you think he is a joke?
 
sturg33 said:
I have serious doubts about Rand Paul's authenticity. I had none about Ron Paul.

But you didn't answer my question. What is it that makes you think he is a joke?
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I'll start with the obvious. Does he get elected to the United States Senate if his name is Rand Jones, ophthalmologist?
 
Julio3000 said:
I'll start with the obvious. Does he get elected to the United States Senate if his name is Rand Jones, ophthalmologist?
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Probably not because he had to unseat an establishment backed Republican in the primary.

But I could ask the same questions about Hilary Clinton or Ted Kennedy or Mitt Romney or George Bush or whoever.

But what about his substance/policies makes him a "joke"
 
sturg33 said:
Probably not because he had to unseat an establishment backed Republican in the primary.

But I could ask the same questions about Hilary Clinton or Ted Kennedy or Mitt Romney or George Bush or whoever.
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Are we talking about those people?
 
sturg33 said:
Probably not because he had to unseat an establishment backed Republican in the primary.

But I could ask the same questions about Hilary Clinton or Ted Kennedy or Mitt Romney or George Bush or whoever.

But what about his substance/policies makes him a "joke"
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I guess I could start here.
 
Julio3000 said:
I guess I could start here.
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So let me get this straight.

You're going to link to a story where Paul obviously got bombarded with negative publicity due to his statements on the civil rights act, and thus did practically a 180 to get on the politically correct side of things. In other words, you're saying he is a "joke" because he flipped on an issue that he got killed for his original stance (shame on him for flip flopping).

And then you support folks like Barack Obama.

LOL.
 
Julio3000 said:
Are we talking about those people?
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No. But you made a strawman argument that didn't answer my question. So I showed you why that was dumb and I asked you a third time why you made your original claim.

Then you link to a politician flip flopping as if that proves anything. If that is what makes politicians "jokes", tell me which politician's AREN'T jokes.
 
sturg33 said:
No. But you made a strawman argument that didn't answer my question. So I showed you why that was dumb and I asked you a third time why you made your original claim.

Then you link to a politician flip flopping as if that proves anything. If that is what makes politicians "jokes", tell me which politician's AREN'T jokes.
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Wait. You concede that he wouldn't have been elected to the Senate were he not his father's son, then throw that back at me as a strawman argument? Girl, please.
 
Julio3000 said:
Wait. You concede that he wouldn't have been elected to the Senate were he not his father's son, then throw that back at me as a strawman argument? Girl, please.
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Sorry - maybe I missed the intent of your original comment. I read your comment as:

"Rand Paul is a joke."

I didn't know you meant:

"Rand Paul was elected because his last name was Paul."

I agree with that. But I don't think that makes him a joke. I suppose you do. I guess I had higher expectations for some substance form you
 
Also - to be clear. The only real advantage of his being Ron's son was fundraising. It's not like Ron had some major constituency in Kentucky that propelled him to victory (I don't recall Ron doing too well in Kentucky in 2008 primary). He won because of the tea party, and that he had national donors because of Ron. The combination took him to victory. But I can assure you that if he was touting neocon, big spending rhetoric, he certainly would not have won.
 
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