Baseball America Midseason Top 100

After adding in Luis Robert and adjusting, the "scores" for each org (where the #1 prospect gets 100 points, #2 gets 99, etc, I gave 100 and 101 1 point since I'd already started when the Robert addition came in):

1. Braves: 532
2. Yankees: 330
3. White Sox: 305
4. Astros: 302
5. Rays: 272
6. Indians: 241
7. Padres: 237
8. Blue Jays: 230
9. Phillies: 222
10. Cardinals: 219
11. Dodgers: 218
12. Brewers: 217
13. Reds: 205
14. Pirates: 177
15. Rockies: 166
16. Athletics: 156
17. Mets: 148
18. Twins: 144
19. Nationals: 130
20. Red Sox: 114
21. Cubs: 114
22. Tigers: 91
23. Orioles: 74
24. Rangers: 67
25. Mariners: 56
26. Diamondbacks: 33
27. Giants: 15
28. Angels: 3
29. Marlins: 0
30. Royals: 0
 
Any takers on Johnson and Vizcaino?

They obviously won't fetch anything close to Andrew Miller and Aroldis Chapman, but I'd like to see them moved by the end of the month.
 
We still have to field bullpen next year. The team can only pull so many Jose Ramierezs out of thin air. Also wouldn't mind sticking it to the Nationals by not helping the supply to their bullpen demand. If another GM is willing to do something stupid I am all for it but I want real prospects and not trash.
 
CJ9 said:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-midseason-top-100-prospects-july-7/#HX94a1IHQODle3d6.97

Preseason ranking in parenthesis:

Acuna 10 (67)
Allard 23 (37)
Albies 25 (11)
Soroka 33 (48)
Wright 41 (NR)
Newcomb 42 (78)
Anderson 54 (66)
Maitan 71 (77)
Gohara 75 (NR)
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Albies and Wright are too low, Anderson is too high, but I generally agree with this. The system might be even better now than when Swanson was part of it, and that's insane to think about.

FG's will come out after the trade deadline when all prospect movement is finalized. Longenhagen is the best in the public sphere, and I expect he will have something like this:

Albies 10-15
Acuna 15-20
Wright 15-20
Allard/Soroka/Gohara 20-50
Maitan 40-50
Anderson/Pache Top 100 back half

So the best prospect ranking will have 7 Braves in the Top 50, and another 2 in the Top 100. Maybe a 10th if Newcomb is still on his list.

Definitely worth a circle jerk. Let's just hope they don't screw it up by being buyers at the deadline.
 
Enscheff said:
Albies and Wright are too low, Anderson is too high, but I generally agree with this. The system might be even better now than when Swanson was part of it, and that's insane to think about.

FG's will come out after the trade deadline when all prospect movement is finalized. Longenhagen is the best in the public sphere, and I expect he will have something like this:

Albies 10-15

Acuna 15-20

Wright 15-20

Allard/Soroka/Gohara 20-50

Maitan 40-50

Anderson/Pache Top 100 back half

So the best prospect ranking will have 7 Braves in the Top 50, and another 2 in the Top 100.

Definitely worth a circle jerk. Let's just hope they don't screw it up by being buyers at the deadline.
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Wait, I was supposed to wait for the rest of you guys. oops.
 
cajunrevenge said:
We still have to field bullpen next year. The team can only pull so many Jose Ramierezs out of thin air. Also wouldn't mind sticking it to the Nationals by not helping the supply to their bullpen demand. If another GM is willing to do something stupid I am all for it but I want real prospects and not trash.
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If it were me I'd keep Johnson to be a cheap closer this year and next year and trade Viz before the deadline. Throwing guys like Minter, Morris, Dirks, Winkler, and Lindgren next year will help if you have a reliable albeit unspectactular closer at the end.
 
Redditor posted this:

"One of the staff from BA said this is the comments

"The main concern cited about Albies is his big splits. He is .268/.323/.404 hitting lefthanded compared to .371/.394/.584 batting righthanded. There were a some flags for evaluators in his lefthanded swing which they felt would prevent him from consistently having a big impact against RHPs in the majors.

At the same time, we're still talking about one of the top 25 prospects in all of baseball and a future everyday contributor. He's an exceptional talent, and that is reflected in his lofty ranking that puts him in the top .001 percent of all prospects."

Now, I would say that is somewhat consistent with the comments Chipper made about Albies earlier in the season. Said he was not ready and had things he needed to work on. It appears that his left handed batting is the thing that Chipper has worked with him on and seems like it has had a positive effect.

Letting Albies continue to work that out in AAA with instruction might be a good plan. I think its looking increasingly less likely the Braves trade away much at deadline, though Phillips is still la relatively easy move to make given the Braves have Camargo and Rodriguez and Peterson available even without calling up Ozzie.
 
Chico said:
If it were me I'd keep Johnson to be a cheap closer this year and next year and trade Viz before the deadline. Throwing guys like Minter, Morris, Dirks, Winkler, and Lindgren next year will help if you have a reliable albeit unspectactular closer at the end.
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his injury wasn't exactly well timed.

If Atlanta is now in let's definitely try to win in 2018 mode, and they mean it a little bit more than they did in 2017, you might as well hang on to Viz as a set up man.

The offense figures to cap out below great, and the rotation probably isn't going to be great, but Atlanta could make up ground with an excellent pen and bench, I suppose.
 
Southcack77 said:
his injury wasn't exactly well timed.

If Atlanta is now in let's definitely try to win in 2018 mode, and they mean it a little bit more than they did in 2017, you might as well hang on to Viz as a set up man.

The offense figures to cap out below great, and the rotation probably isn't going to be great, but Atlanta could make up ground with an excellent pen and bench, I suppose.
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Third year in a row we've had a valuable reliever go down before the deadline -- Viz last year and Grilli the year before. Just brutal luck.
 
Chico said:
If it were me I'd keep Johnson to be a cheap closer this year and next year and trade Viz before the deadline. Throwing guys like Minter, Morris, Dirks, Winkler, and Lindgren next year will help if you have a reliable albeit unspectactular closer at the end.
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I think our future pen actually has crazy good options. Winkler looked really good pre injury; Lindgren was a top Yanks prospect as a closer before TJS. Morris has been throwing pretty well in the upper minors, as has Caleb Dirks. And then there's Minter, who's one of the top relief prospects in the game. And those are just the current RP in the system, without accounting for our MiLB starters that will eventually move to the pen. If we can get anything out of our current MLB bullpen, might as well.
 
praeceps93 said:
I think our future pen actually has crazy good options. Winkler looked really good pre injury; Lindgren was a top Yanks prospect as a closer before TJS. Morris has been throwing pretty well in the upper minors, as has Caleb Dirks. And then there's Minter, who's one of the top relief prospects in the game. And those are just the current RP in the system, without accounting for our MiLB starters that will eventually move to the pen. If we can get anything out of our current MLB bullpen, might as well.
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I approve of this post.
 
I know relievers aren't included blah blah blah but I refuse to believe that there are 100 better prospects than a healthy Minter.
 
rico43 said:
I know relievers aren't included blah blah blah but I refuse to believe that there are 100 better prospects than a healthy Minter.
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being able to stay healthy matters, he didn't show he could do that in college, he was treated with kid gloves last year and missed most of this year with an injury.
 
praeceps93 said:
I think our future pen actually has crazy good options. Winkler looked really good pre injury; Lindgren was a top Yanks prospect as a closer before TJS. Morris has been throwing pretty well in the upper minors, as has Caleb Dirks. And then there's Minter, who's one of the top relief prospects in the game. And those are just the current RP in the system, without accounting for our MiLB starters that will eventually move to the pen. If we can get anything out of our current MLB bullpen, might as well.
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I do as well. You could even see guys like Watts, Webb, Clouse, Biddle, and Johnson Mullins etc from the over 22 crowd in Florida and MS.

I just don't think we'll have an all rookie pen next year, and veteran relievers got paid last year in Free agency.

You could decide to trade a guy like Johnson for postional player prospects this year and then trade pitching prospects for another late inning arm in the offseason as a form of prospect shuffling, but regardless we're going to have a vet or two in the back end of the pen.
 
I've seen a couple people think Anderson is too high --- I tend to think people still discount him due to pre-draft rankings --- but he's a pretty young projectable kid with a 3.04 FIP and a 11.43 K/9 rate, his BABIP is chilling at .363; the walks are too high right now, but there's a lot to like with what he's done this year.
 
Preacher said:
I've seen a couple people think Anderson is too high --- I tend to think people still discount him due to pre-draft rankings --- but he's a pretty young projectable kid with a 3.04 FIP and a 11.43 K/9 rate, his BABIP is chilling at .363; the walks are too high right now, but there's a lot to like with what he's done this year.
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Anderson's been really good. The BB's are high, but they almost always are for guys this early in their career. Not concerned about that, the K rate is great to see.
 
Preacher said:
I've seen a couple people think Anderson is too high --- I tend to think people still discount him due to pre-draft rankings --- but he's a pretty young projectable kid with a 3.04 FIP and a 11.43 K/9 rate, his BABIP is chilling at .363; the walks are too high right now, but there's a lot to like with what he's done this year.
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I could be talked into him being a 50-60 guy. He is clearly behind the Braves Top 6 though.
 
Chico said:
I do as well. You could even see guys like Watts, Webb, Clouse, Biddle, and Johnson Mullins etc from the over 22 crowd in Florida and MS.

I just don't think we'll have an all rookie pen next year, and veteran relievers got paid last year in Free agency.

You could decide to trade a guy like Johnson for postional player prospects this year and then trade pitching prospects for another late inning arm in the offseason as a form of prospect shuffling, but regardless we're going to have a vet or two in the back end of the pen.
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I think that's right. Braves might not be all in on 2018 but everything suggests they intend to try for wild card.

I'm for big returns on relievers if you can get it but they definitely are not walking into the season with nothing but injury prone young-ins in the pen.

On the other hand I'm not quite sure where they spend their free salary if they don't pay big on 3b. So maybe a pricy reliever or two happens.
 
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