Official 2017 Trade Deadilne Thread

Just so I'm clear....

There are folks on this board that think the Braves should dump an incredible amount of resources to acquire Yelich when the team is already paying Kemp and Markakis a combined $30M.

And this is contigent in the Braves unloading Kemp or Markakis? Guys who are so bad the Braves are looking to replace them?

Doesn't add up. At all.

Braves need to fix 3b this offseason, and either replace Dickey or pick up his option. Maybe acquire a legit 4th OFer.

It would be foolish to add at the deadline. The Braves FO is smarter than paying the contenders premium when they aren't contending.

Nothing has changed, yet the same bad ideas keep getting bounced around. It's odd.
 
Enscheff said:
Just so I'm clear....

There are folks on this board that think the Braves should dump an incredible amount of resources to acquire Yelich when the team is already paying Kemp and Markakis a combined $30M.

And this is contigent in the Braves unloading Kemp or Markakis? Guys who are so bad the Braves are looking to replace them?

Doesn't add up. At all.

Braves need to fix 3b this offseason, and either replace Dickey or pick up his option. Maybe acquire a legit 4th OFer.

It would be foolish to add at the deadline. The Braves FO is smarter than paying the contenders premium when they aren't contending.

Nothing has changed, yet the same bad ideas keep getting bounced around. It's odd.
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I would guess the idea is that the Braves would either be able to force the Marlins to take Markakis back in the deal or that the Braves could find someone to take Markakis off their hands for next to nothing.

The rationale would be that you've acquired a RF who put up 5 WAR last year and who is relatively cost controlled through 2022, which all figure to be prime years.

You'd then likely be looking at moving him to left when Kemp fell off the payroll and Acuna took his place.

Likely the cost would be expensive, but if it was just some of those pitching prospects that you say the Braves shouldn't be building around, maybe it is a good idea.

Before you say anything, this isn't my idea and I'm not suggesting it, I'm just exploring the idea at your request.
 
thethe said:
Will the be more because of the braves decision or a market decision?
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they don't want to pay the contender's premium for major league ready assets...and they don't want to sell because of the new ballpark and because the team is hanging around .500...its a formula for a quiet trade deadline
 
The sentiment I don't understand is "with the Nationals bullpen, we still have a shot at the division!" which I've seen on various forums. Unlike our uncertainty, they will very clearly be active at the deadline (specifically for relievers). They almost certainly will get better than they are currently. So we'd be betting on a Diamondbacks/Rockies collapse to slide into a WC spot, and they'll likely shore up holes at the deadline as well. Unless you can add a Mike Trout-level player, someone who can add ~5 wins to your club in the second half, I don't see the point in paying a contender's premium for trade assets. If you get good offers for some of our vets on shorter deals, go for it, but otherwise just stand pat or make small additions; the club out on the field right now is pretty fun to watch, and I don't see a reason not to keep that going as a stepping stone into the next stage of the rebuild.
 
Tapate50 said:
Or Happ +?
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That also has some plausibility. Happ or Baez straight up for Teheran would be a very good deal for us.

It would open up a hole in our 2018 rotation, but we can deal with that later. I don't think we would go with a rotation of Folty, Dickey, Newcomb, Wisler and Sims.
 
nsacpi said:
That also has some plausibility. Happ or Baez straight up for Teheran would be a very good deal for us.

It would open up a hole in our 2018 rotation, but we can deal with that later. I don't think we would go with a rotation of Folty, Dickey, Newcomb, Wisler and Sims.
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Yeah there are plenty of solid mid/back rotation types available in FA this offseason that we could target. Guys like Cashner, Ross, Cobb, Anderson, etc.
 
praeceps93 said:
The sentiment I don't understand is "with the Nationals bullpen, we still have a shot at the division!" which I've seen on various forums. Unlike our uncertainty, they will very clearly be active at the deadline (specifically for relievers). They almost certainly will get better than they are currently. So we'd be betting on a Diamondbacks/Rockies collapse to slide into a WC spot, and they'll likely shore up holes at the deadline as well. Unless you can add a Mike Trout-level player, someone who can add ~5 wins to your club in the second half, I don't see the point in paying a contender's premium for trade assets. If you get good offers for some of our vets on shorter deals, go for it, but otherwise just stand pat or make small additions; the club out on the field right now is pretty fun to watch, and I don't see a reason not to keep that going as a stepping stone into the next stage of the rebuild.
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Our playoff odds are 3%. A long shot. We would need to catch a lot of lucky breaks. I agree we should part with any assets if the trade partner is willing to pay the premium. But I don't think this is how the FO is going to operate. Some of it is the new stadium distorting normal decision-making.
 
Do you think there would be any interest in Kurt Suzuki?

I don't think he would garner much, but you could still get something for him.
 
nsacpi said:
they don't want to pay the contender's premium for major league ready assets...and they don't want to sell because of the new ballpark and because the team is hanging around .500...its a formula for a quiet trade deadline
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Which certainly wouldn't be the worst thing in the world IMO.

The team's going to improve by default - Rodriguez will be back, Julio's showing signs (at least away from home), Minter's close, and simply making the decision to switch Johnson and Vizcaino could do wonders for the pen (and potentially morale). If Folty continues his step forward and Newcomb doesn't take a step back, there's no reason to expect the record to suddenly nosedive - even with the tough schedule. The contender's premium for the only asset this team REALLY needs - a TOR arm - is still too high.

Keep what you've got to make it entertaining for the fans since no one's offering anything good for the pieces you're willing to deal and see how things shake out. See what you've got in Newcomb, pick up Dickey's option for insurance, "fix" 3B this winter if Freddie's a butcher over there and make Adams a bench bat (that plays A LOT along with Rodriguez), and then decide if you're willing to blow the Rays away with an offer for Archer this winter - when they're also not in the mix for the playoffs. Next year's draft will be deeper and if we really do have designs on drafting Beer, it's not like he's the type of player that might not slide a bit given his skillset.

Just personal preference, but I'd prefer to hold Teheran - even if he could get you Baez or Happ. Don't get me wrong, I see and understand those who want to make that kind of deal, I just think the organization has committed to Albies and Swanson as the middle infield for the next decade (who knows whether it works out?), and think we can fix 3B less expensively than by giving up a rotation piece that you can count on for the remainder of that contract. No, he's not an "Ace", and holding onto him IF someone was willing to overpay might not be the thing "rebuilders" always do, but I don't care. There's no question that the Braves wind up winners with that contract (whether he's a #2 or a #4), and given the volatility of Pitchers I'd just as soon hold onto at least one "sure thing".
 
Unless they can package some of these vets together to get an actual prospect in return, I would rather see them keep the team together and make a run at .500. They aren't going to get a Top 5 pick anymore, so may as well keep the team watchable.

And no, I do not consider getting another TD a legit prospect.
 
Enscheff said:
Unless they can package some of these vets together to get an actual prospect in return, I would rather see them keep the team together and make a run at .500. They aren't going to get a Top 5 pick anymore, so may as well keep the team watchable.

And no, I do not consider getting another TD a legit prospect.
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One kind of deal that might happen is a salary dump/exchange of undesirable assets type trade. It happened in the form of Kemp/Olivera last year. This year something with the Marlins possibly involving Prado could happen or maybe with the Padres involving Solarte.
 
Enscheff said:
Unless they can package some of these vets together to get an actual prospect in return, I would rather see them keep the team together and make a run at .500. They aren't going to get a Top 5 pick anymore, so may as well keep the team watchable.

And no, I do not consider getting another TD a legit prospect.
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They should sell or baseball purgatory awaits - not good enough to win, not bad enough to have to rebuild.

Teheran - maybe better than he has shown, but certainly will never be TOR. If he is better than he has shown then he is a 3 and the Braves have (or should have) 3's coming out of their ears.
Johnson - placeholder closer who will be too old to be good when the rest of the team is good.
All other BP arms right now - if the right return you pull the trigger because BP arms are volatile and none of the current ones are long term answers.
Adams - if you find the right partner with the right need, you may be able to pair him up and get his value+. He also has no long term future on the team unless you see the Braves carrying an expensive bench guy who can only play 1B.
J Peterson, A. Garcia, etc - all bit part guys with no future on the team that won't bring anything back likely but will be cut if there are no takers anyway.
J Garcia - FA to be who's value is that he's a LH with a pulse. If you can get anything for him, you should.
Dickey - has some future value as a placeholder next year if you think you will really need that and that he won't suddenly turn into a pumpkin. I say trade him if you get decent offers and worry about a place holder in the offseason.
Suzuki - playing better than he is and should bring more than he is worth but might be worth it to keep because of the young pitching.
Flowers - see Suzuki.
Kemp & Markakis - if you can give them away and shed the payroll then do it. You won't get any return because in the big scheme of things they suck.

The Braves should be active and they should be selling. But they won't.
 
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