Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)
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jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Can we not?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Nothing burger might end up being Reince's epitaph.
Sorry.
sturg33
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I wonder how much time liberals spend googling russian conspiracy stuff hoping to find the next juicy nugget.
57 posted in another thread that the only reason we have a Trump presidency is because Putin wanted it... I asked what exactly happened to cause the Trump victory, but have yet to hear a reason
57 posted in another thread that the only reason we have a Trump presidency is because Putin wanted it... I asked what exactly happened to cause the Trump victory, but have yet to hear a reason
Runnin
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Desperate? For what? I'm just enjoying the reality show.
While I don't think much is gonna happen to him, for the record I think he's probably the most corrupt and guilty President we've ever had and his win is absolutely illegitimate. At this moment, that is the ONLY thing he cares about, protecting the win. If politics were still as rough and tumble as he claimed he longed for on the campaign trail, he and his whole crew would be deep in the soup, if not history months ago.
I can only imagine how the Fox News crowd would be reacting were it a Democrat.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
at the very very least
this email and meeting shows by his own admission they were down to collusion with the Russians
but like all the rest of the smoke, yeah, i'm sure it's nothing and just all a made up story like all the other russian interactions that this administration has lied about and they are getting lawyers over
this email and meeting shows by his own admission they were down to collusion with the Russians
but like all the rest of the smoke, yeah, i'm sure it's nothing and just all a made up story like all the other russian interactions that this administration has lied about and they are getting lawyers over
Desperate to substantiate a year's worth of conspiracy theories?
This is the Joe Arpaio going to Hawaii stage of the fantasy.
I agree with you about the Fox News crowd, but you are behaving just as bad as they are with the tit for tat mentality.
We saw that reaction with Hillary with much more conclusive evidence that she was corrupt.the interesting question is would the dems care if this was a Democrat and we saw that by not really caring about HRC and the DNC.
Runnin
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There are always theories when there is this much smoke coming out of every window, but the speculation is over and the verdict is in:
the Trump campaign and now administration is far more corrupt and incompetent than anyone could have ever imagined.
Are you saying that collusion has still not been shown or that collusion is not a problem? To me it's clear that Jr. was perfectly
okay with it.
Runnin
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nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
As I suspect you very well know...the real issues are 1) the targeting of our democratic process by a foreign country and 2) the willingness indeed the eagerness of the Trump campaign to accept assistance from that country. The interference need not be effective for 1 to be a major issue and for 2 to be a yuge political scandal.
In addition, the investigation into the above has encountered serious and possibly illegal political obstruction and may yield evidence of tangentially-related but nevertheless serious crimes by people close to the presidency including its current occupant.
Avert your eyes if you wish with red herrings, but these matters are not going away.
Are you talking about all those times she was sued for being a crook and a fraud?
Not sure there are a lot of people lining up to talk about what a good person trump is. I find it amusing though that Dems willfully turned a blind eye to the Clinton issues (both bill and hillary) are now warriors to stop trump.
Everyone will turn a blind eye to the people they support. Just call it like it is.
Runnin
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Your over-generalizations are troubling. It's dumb to lump all Dems in together. "Everyone" did NOT turn a blind eye to Hillary. The fact is that a lot of people, including every Dem on this board that I'm aware of, were uncomfortable with Hillary because of the choices she had made over the years, etc. A lot of independents were too; that's a big reason she lost.
Hillary and her husband both had to face legal scrutiny and the charges were found wanting. Bill was impeached and found innocent. That fact greatly diminishes your charge that there was clear evidence that she was corrupt.
We shall see how well Pumpkinead holds up under close examination and all our pre-speculation will be for naught.
57Brave
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Looking back over the last weeks’ worth of news from Trump-friendly sources can be fun. There’s Sunday’s New York Post extravagantly rolling their eyes beneath the headline “The Times ‘exposé’ on Donald Trump Jr. is a big yawn.” And Wednesday’s Post taking a much drier approach on “Why Trump Jr released damning Russia emails.”
It’s not even necessary to walk the timeline back all the way to Sunday. On Tuesday morning, Washington Post conservative writer Ed Rogers went with “The media’s mass hysteria over ‘collusion’ is out of control.” He stuck with that title in a substantially revised noon update. And a 2 PM update. Only … by the time he got there, the disconnect between title, the opening paragraphs on said “media hysteria” and the rest of the piece was pretty severe.
After seeing today’s email exchange dump from Trump Jr., it is easy to see that the meeting should have never happened. Period.
I double down on the idea that this meeting was a rookie, amateur mistake. Even the lackey should not have taken this meeting. It was bad judgment, but not collaboration with the Russians.
The “rookie mistake” excuse is exactly the reason that the lawyer for the guy in the room with decades of hardcore political experience had to rush forward yesterday to say that his client didn’t actually read the invite to the meeting he was attending. Donald Trump Jr. has moved from he attended no meetings with Russians, to the meeting was just about adoption, to it was just opposition research, and landed on “it was before Russia-mania.”
But the story that everyone involved is settling on now is founded on one idea—the idea that the meeting didn’t lead to anything—and there’s no reason to think that’s any more true than every other abandoned position.
The Washington Post gives a quick run through ...
Trump Jr. has changed his story four times since then, most recently in Tuesday's tweet, which was a response to the Times's having obtained emails that show he agreed to meet the Russian lawyer after being offered “some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.”
While everything else about Trump Jr’s description of the meeting changes from one iteration to the next, the ending remains pretty similar—it was a short meeting, it didn’t produce meaningful information, and “there was no follow up.”
However, everything else that Donald Trump Jr. has said about the meeting has turned out to be a lie. So … why should any of that be true?
The other point that Trump Jr, along with the cast of lawyers, brings up every time is that the meeting was brief—20 to 30 minutes. That certainly doesn’t seem like enough time to relay a stack of juicy Clinton gossip. And the brevity is presented as equivalent to “not important.”
However, even the shorter of those two times is plenty of time to relay a simple message: This is a big deal, we have the goods, and you need to handle this more carefully.
It seems unlikely that attorney Natalia Veselnitskaya paid another visit to Trump Tower (though if she did, we’ll likely know very soon). But Veselnitskaya had plenty of opportunity to pass along details on how more information would be forthcoming. And she had the man in the room—Paul Manafort—with years of experience in taking secret information from Moscow.
And the other guy in the room, Jared Kushner, would be the guy who desperately sought a new communication channel with Moscow after the election.
As the Washington Post reiterates …
The progression of Trump Jr.'s position can be summarized like this:
I never represented the campaign in a meeting with a Russian.
Actually, I did, but the meeting was about adoption.
Well, the pretext of the meeting was incriminating information about Clinton, but we didn't actually get any.
This kind of meeting is totally normal.
The meeting didn't seem like such a bad idea at the time because the media wasn't focused on Russia yet.
The one tiny nail on which Trump Jr is hanging what’s left of his story—and the only thing that’s protecting Kushner and Manafort—is the idea that this meeting was trivial and didn’t lead to anything else.
Don’t believe it
sturg33
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I'm so sick of seeing that the Russians caused Trump to win... not just heare, but all over the internet.
Nobody knows how or why, but they are sure of it!