Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

sturg33 said:
I'm so sick of seeing that the Russians caused Trump to win... not just heare, but all over the internet.

Nobody knows how or why, but they are sure of it!
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Well, I hope you get well soon and also hope that I did not contribute to your illness.
 
57Brave said:
The one tiny nail on which Trump Jr is hanging what’s left of his story—and the only thing that’s protecting Kushner and Manafort—is the idea that this meeting was trivial and didn’t lead to anything else.

Don’t believe it
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I know there are a lot of people who will make a show of believing him when he says it was about nothing, but I don't believe there are any smart people left who would take anything a Trump said at face value.

If the meeting really was about nothing, then Putin set Trump up just to see how dumb he was. I think it's more sad than funny how colossally stupid and inept he is.
 
Anyone else feel like if Hillary won right now Republicans would be trying to impeach her over something and she would be blaming fake news much like Trump but in her own way. 57 would be doing all the denying and defending instead of all the Russiar threads.

Also, remember that time China tried to influence our elections in favor of the Clintons?
 
Do the people on the left actually care that the Russians tried to "interfere?"

Haven't they done it every election?

Doesn't the US to it as well?

doesn't other countries?

Isn't this just a big which hunt?
 
sturg33 said:
Do the people on the left actually care that the Russians tried to "interfere?"

Haven't they done it every election?

Doesn't the US to it as well?

doesn't other countries?

Isn't this just a big which hunt?
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even if the answer is yes to all of the above something new and different did happen this past election that should be of concern to all of us and needs to be thoroughly inestigated...im not going to explain what it is to you because it is in plain sight and it take a willful act of blindness not to see it
 
nsacpi said:
even if the answer is yes to all of the above something new and different did happen this past election that should be of concern to all of us...im not going to explain what it is to you because it is in plain sight and it take a willful act of blindness not to see it
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You have a fool in this very thread (goldfly) who said he committed treason.

the blood thirst of the left is what is new since the last election
 
Runnin said:
There are always theories when there is this much smoke coming out of every window, but the speculation is over and the verdict is in:
the Trump campaign and now administration is far more corrupt and incompetent than anyone could have ever imagined.

Are you saying that collusion has still not been shown or that collusion is not a problem? To me it's clear that Jr. was perfectly
okay with it.
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From a legal perspective the Trump Jr. email likely wouldn't even be admissible in court (the probable reason behind why it was leaked). It doesn't demonstrate clear intent, and it's further clouded by the fact that the Russian overture was incorrectly characterized as a sharing of information about illegal activity at the state level. Now, it's very possible that this was just a cover to get in the door with Trump before revealing that the actual dirt was stolen emails ... but that's a presumption. You need more. And more can't be the Flynn angle, or the Sessions angle, or the piss play at the Ritz angle.
 
There is an argument for treason.
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18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason

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Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
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You could say conspiring to commit election fraud with a foreign agent constitutes "adheres to their enemies, giving aid and comfort".

Considering that foreign agent has in the past vowed to bury us
Thpough not a lawyer , I could see where treason would be in play
 
57Brave said:
There is an argument for treason.
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18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason

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Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
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You could say conspiring to commit election fraud with a foreign agent constitutes "adheres to their enemies, giving aid and comfort".

Considering that foreign agent has in the past vowed to bury us
I could see where treason would be in play
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There is no legal analyst in the world who isn't a die-hard lib that would agree with you.

Despite what you would like, we are NOT at war with Russia
 
Hawk said:
From a legal perspective the Trump Jr. email likely wouldn't even be admissible in court (the probable reason behind why it was leaked). It doesn't demonstrate clear intent, and it's further clouded by the fact that the Russian overture was incorrectly characterized as a sharing of information about illegal activity at the state level. Now, it's very possible that this was just a cover to get in the door with Trump before revealing that the actual dirt was stolen emails ... but that's a presumption. You need more. And more can't be the Flynn angle, or the Sessions angle, or the piss play at the Ritz angle.
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from a legal perspective I doubt collusion will send anyone to jail...on that we appear to be in agreement...

however the growing body of evidence regarding collusion is a very big deal politically and very dangerous for the guy currently occupying the oval office
 
oh really ?
it is common knowledge we have sustained a cyber attack by a foreign entity (Russia) if that isn't war, I don't know what is

what does "die-hard lib" have to do with what words mean.
 
57Brave said:
oh really ?
it is common knowledge we have sustained a cyber attack by a foreign entity (Russia) if that isn't war, I don't know what is

what does "die-hard lib" have to do with what words mean.
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Have we declared Russia with war?

I must have missed that.

I even tried to "look it up"

Link, please
 
57Brave said:
oh really ?
it is common knowledge we have sustained a cyber attack by a foreign entity (Russia) if that isn't war, I don't know what is

what does "die-hard lib" have to do with what words mean.
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if we were smart we would recognize the asymmetries that exist between us and Russia and retaliate in a way that exploits our strengths and their weaknesses...we need to respond very strongly and intelligently to this
 
nsacpi said:
from a legal perspective I doubt collusion will send anyone to jail...on that we appear to be in agreement...

however the growing body of evidence regarding collusion is a very big deal politically and very dangerous for the guy currently occupying the oval office
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conspiracy to commit election fraud
and obstruction of justice
are very much in play

Collusion by itself is not a crime.
Just a word that encapsulates this escapade

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/12/what-is-collusion-215366
 
nsacpi said:
if we were smart we would recognize the asymmetries that exist between us and Russia and retaliate in a way that exploits our strengths and their weaknesses...we need to respond very strongly and intelligently to this
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who is we ?
'we" had that opportunity in November to elect some one with a record of taking hard stances against the Russians and many choose a serial sex predator / suspected Russian agent / failed casino owner, because you know, there might be an appearance of possible wrongdoing ...
Crocodile tears my friend, crocodile tears

"we" as in Ben Sasse or Donald Trump or Jeff Sessions .... Paul Ryan --- John McCain lil Marco -- Rand Paul -- Justin Amash
Puh leeese
 
nsacpi said:
I wouldn't say war...but they carried out a hostile act...we have to formulate an appropriate response
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We are not at war with them. They carried out an act that they and many other countries do every single year.

This is not new. this is a which hunt from the biggest group of entitled losers I've ever seen
 
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