Official 2017 Trade Deadilne Thread

50PoundHead said:
I'm not that picky on the potential return for Garcia. I don't see any way we could get someone like Derek Fisher for him.
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I agree. What's the cost for a QO now? I wonder if Garcia might even be worth keeping for a QO. It would be an overpay for him, but he's a decent pitcher from the left side and the braves will spend money somewhere anyway.

I think we'd be lucky to get a FV 50 guy for Garcia.

What we need is my crazy idea to work. Astros balk at the price for Gray. We get Gray. Then offer Gray + Tehran as almost a guarantee of the WS and get the entire astros farm. Crazy fake trade stuff.

We think we're too close. So we aren't going to get anyting too good. But Coppy seems to be the man on turning nothing into maybe something like the Demeritte deal. TD is still most likely to be a non-factor but getting a 70 defender with power for nothing is a great deal. Pull off a couple of those and maybe one of them hits.
 
Russ2dollas said:
I agree. What's the cost for a QO now? I wonder if Garcia might even be worth keeping for a QO. It would be an overpay for him, but he's a decent pitcher from the left side and the braves will spend money somewhere anyway.

I think we'd be lucky to get a FV 50 guy for Garcia.

What we need is my crazy idea to work. Astros balk at the price for Gray. We get Gray. Then offer Gray + Tehran as almost a guarantee of the WS and get the entire astros farm. Crazy fake trade stuff.

We think we're too close. So we aren't going to get anyting too good. But Coppy seems to be the man on turning nothing into maybe something like the Demeritte deal. TD is still most likely to be a non-factor but getting a 70 defender with power for nothing is a great deal. Pull off a couple of those and maybe one of them hits.
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QO is up to around $17M now... no way I'm offering Garcia that
 
If I'm the Astros, im looking for pitching. And with the upgrade the Cubs just made, I'm willing to pay for it.
 
I'll say this again (although I do NOT agree with it). If we were in the Quintana talks, we are definitely not shopping Julio. It's amazing to me that we would be in talks to pay a contenders price for #2 pitcher, when we will have waves of pitchers with that potential starting next year. It's amazing to me that we wouldn't at least be shopping a pitcher that has an almost 8 ERA at home, when the market points to us getting much more than he is worth.

This is Coppy's reality when it comes to Julio. He also appears to be dead set on jumping the time frame it takes for a proper rebuild. It will cost us. We could give away three starting pitchers to gain one for the present. We are not the Red Sox...we need all of the farm to field a competitive team.
 
I don't see why everyone is so hopeful to deal Teheran right now... most of us agree that he should have been as soon as the rebuild started, the Braves messed that one up. But then isn't now.

This is a team that's flirting with .500 this year and is going to set optimistic but not completely unrealistic goals of competing for a WC spot next year -- the Braves aren't going to be keen on dealing a guy who throws 180+ innings every year and has a track record of being a really solid pitcher.

I just don't see why they would be motivated to move him, especially now when his value is low.
 
Preacher said:
I don't see why everyone is so hopeful to deal Teheran right now... most of us agree that he should have been as soon as the rebuild started, the Braves messed that one up. But then isn't now.

This is a team that's flirting with .500 this year and is going to set optimistic but not completely unrealistic goals of competing for a WC spot next year -- the Braves aren't going to be keen on dealing a guy who throws 180+ innings every year and has a track record of being a really solid pitcher.

I just don't see why they would be motivated to move him, especially now when his value is low.
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If nothing else this is a very common sense post. He's been a really solid pitcher and many times a number two in good years. If you don't get what you want...you keep him.
 
Deester11 said:
If nothing else this is a very common sense post. He's been a really solid pitcher and many times a number two in good years. If you don't get what you want...you keep him.
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Teheran will make less next season than the Braves are paying Colon and Garcia and about the same as what they are paying Dickey.

I'd rather keep him than pick up some more middling prospects. If they actually are able to get a top 50 prospect who is more than someone outperforming their tools then consider it. But I don't think the Dodgers are moving Verdugo for him.
 
According to Hahn what the White Sox got from the Cubs was “far and away the best offer, the best possibility, that we’ve discussed with any club since we’ve started this process roughly a year or ago or so.”

I find it reassuring that whatever we were offering the White Sox was well below what they got from the Cubs.
 
Preacher said:
I don't see why everyone is so hopeful to deal Teheran right now... most of us agree that he should have been as soon as the rebuild started, the Braves messed that one up. But then isn't now.

This is a team that's flirting with .500 this year and is going to set optimistic but not completely unrealistic goals of competing for a WC spot next year -- the Braves aren't going to be keen on dealing a guy who throws 180+ innings every year and has a track record of being a really solid pitcher.

I just don't see why they would be motivated to move him, especially now when his value is low.
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This is a team flirting with .500 after coming off the easiest schedule in the month of June that they could possibly have and easiest schedule do date overall. The record as it stands is a house of cards. The FO should be able to look past that and make good baseball moves for a time when they play of the team will be real.

Even with the play of the team to this point and the ease of the schedule, this team still projects to about a 75 win team.
 
Would Folty bring a haul from houston ?

If the return were significant enough, I'd absolutely make him available.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
This is a team flirting with .500 after coming off the easiest schedule in the month of June that they could possibly have and easiest schedule do date overall. The record as it stands is a house of cards. The FO should be able to look past that and make good baseball moves for a time when they play of the team will be real.

Even with the play of the team to this point and the ease of the schedule, this team still projects to about a 75 win team.
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so the Braves should sell Teheran low for middling prospects because that would help?
 
Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports reports that the Royals have interest in Jaime Garcia "and other rental pitchers."

Garcia has had an up-and-down 2017 with a 4.55 ERA and 74/37 K/BB ratio over 99 innings, but he makes sense for Kansas City as they look to stabilize the back end of their rotation. Adding a pitcher such as Garcia would allow the Royals to move Travis Wood back to the bullpen. Garcia will be a free agent this winter and shouldn't cost too much in a trade.
 
nsacpi said:
According to Hahn what the White Sox got from the Cubs was “far and away the best offer, the best possibility, that we’ve discussed with any club since we’ve started this process roughly a year or ago or so.”

I find it reassuring that whatever we were offering the White Sox was well below what they got from the Cubs.
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Heyman we weren't really in the talks. They wanted Acuna and that wasn't happening.
 
nsacpi said:
What valuation would you attach to him in terms of expected WAR over the next four seasons.
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I have no idea, but he will be going through arby soon right? I'd either offer him a team friendly extension, or shop him.

I would think he would bring the most of our current crop?
 
Southcack77 said:
so the Braves should sell Teheran low for middling prospects because that would help?
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Not what I said. I was banging the drum hard to sell him back when it should have been done.

However, this whole idea of adding at the deadline, at competitors prices, is idiocy.

And, of course you shop Teheran and anyone else not named Freeman, Inciarte and Swanson at the ML level right now. If you get a good enough return then you have to strongly consider it.

Everyone just assumes that somehow Teheran will turn it around and get better and they say that would be the time to move him. 1. If he gets good, why would the Braves want to move him and 2. If he continues to decline then they are stuck with him at a time when they should be competing. His fastball has been declining for years. The chances of him getting better than he is now are only marginal IMO.
 
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