GDT: July 10th, 2013 - Braves @ Marlins - Chris hitting 5th - Pastor SS

thethe said:
Is he? Just in relation to Upton. Bourn is not having a great year. He will fall off a cliff halfway through that deal and not be a productive player at all. That is why I didn't want to sign him.
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He's having a good season and a monster year compared to BJ. Even if Bourn slows down in the second half of his contract in Cleveland and Upton plays better than him it wont matter. Upton wont be substantially better and wont be even close to as a value with his contract nearly 30 million more.
 
ChapelHillMatt said:
Hitting 280 and setting the table for a good Indians lineup.

He's doing his job.

Meanwhile we have a guy that can't get over 180
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He gets on base less than 33% of the time with ZERO power. His strikeouts are way up and he is 30 yeras old. He is going to be AWFUL midway through that contract.

BJ has been atrocious this year but lets not make Bourn out to be a productive player this year. If he tails off like he did last year then he will be one of the worst everyday playres in baseball. BJ Upton is still on the right side of 30 and has more skills other than his speed.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
He's having a good season and a monster year compared to BJ. Even if Bourn slows down in the second half of his contract in Cleveland and Upton plays better than him it wont matter. Upton wont be substantially better and wont be even close to as a value with his contract nearly 30 million more.
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A good season? WOW....How can you actually say that. In what way is he having a good seaason?
 
NinersSBChamps said:
He's having a good season and a monster year compared to BJ. Even if Bourn slows down in the second half of his contract in Cleveland and Upton plays better than him it wont matter. Upton wont be substantially better and wont be even close to as a value with his contract nearly 30 million more.
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Again Bourn only got a good cheap deal because he didn't sign until February because his asking price was outrageous. The Braves would have paid him what the Indians did but they couldn't wait until February to know one way or the other.
 
ChapelHillMatt said:
It's just hypocritical imo

If people hated Yunel because he had a bad attitude and was lazy then they should hate BJ as well for the same reasons.
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Why would you say that BJ has a bad attitude? I hate the non-hustling but thats unfortunatley part of the new generation baseball player.
 
Why is it ok to keep bringing up Bourn's bad 2nd half last year but give Upton a pass on his? (making excuses for him)

We don't need his power, we need a table setter. If we had Bourn instead of BJ this team would be a lot better than they are.
 
ChapelHillMatt said:
It's just hypocritical imo

If people hated Yunel because he had a bad attitude and was lazy then they should hate BJ as well for the same reasons.
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Yunel likely throws games and tries to hurt people. As soon as BJ does either one of those...

That said, it IS irritating to feel like a player could try harder.
 
thethe said:
Why would you say that BJ has a bad attitude? I hate the non-hustling but thats unfortunatley part of the new generation baseball player.
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Just watch him interact with umpires. And the lack of hustle isn't a one time thing either. I saw it when I went to Atlanta earlier in the year. He doesn't hustle on offense or defense. I can't remember the last time I saw him give 100%
 
ChapelHillMatt said:
Why is it ok to keep bringing up Bourn's bad 2nd half last year but give Upton a pass on his? (making excuses for him)

We don't need his power, we need a table setter. If we had Bourn instead of BJ this team would be a lot better than they are.
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Who is trying to defend Uptons performance this year? He has been probably the worst everyday player in baseball. I am just saying that Bourn is not as good as you and many make him out to be. He had a career first half that made his numbers look reasonable by the end ofthe year. I'm so happy that we didn't sign him. BJ is a big risk as well but he has more skills than Bourn does.

I know you like Bourn but you have to be objective...he has not been good this year.
 
thethe said:
A good season? WOW....How can you actually say that. In what way is he having a good seaason?
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Hitting at the top of a Cleveland lineup that is playing some solid baseball of their own. I would kill for our lead off hitter to hitting .280 and Bourn has never been a huge OBP player so that argument in null. Also he and his wife had a child earlier in the season.
 
ChapelHillMatt said:
Why is it ok to keep bringing up Bourn's bad 2nd half last year but give Upton a pass on his? (making excuses for him)

We don't need his power, we need a table setter. If we had Bourn instead of BJ this team would be a lot better than they are.
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Nobody is giving BJ a pass. Who here is giving BJ a pass for being a complete bust so far? We know you don't like him. Unfortunately you can't get rid of a guy who just signed the deal he did before 1 year has even passed. That's the issue here. We are stuck with him no matter how much we don't like it.
 
ChapelHillMatt said:
Just watch him interact with umpires. And the lack of hustle isn't a one time thing either. I saw it when I went to Atlanta earlier in the year. He doesn't hustle on offense or defense. I can't remember the last time I saw him give 100%
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His interaction with umpires is mild compared to what some of those calls warrant. But you have a point with the rest.
 
The issue isn't Upton vs Bourn; Bourn's gone. its Upton vs Schafer. Who should be out there after the break?

I'd tell BJ he has to be a leadoff man if he wants to stay in the lineup everyday, get on base and you play. Don't and we play Schafer, we need a leadoff man.
 
ChapelHillMatt said:
Just watch him interact with umpires. And the lack of hustle isn't a one time thing either. I saw it when I went to Atlanta earlier in the year. He doesn't hustle on offense or defense. I can't remember the last time I saw him give 100%
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I'm not going to look at the interaction with an umpire after a questionable call and make the leap that he has a bad attitude. I don't know the guy personally so I can only go by accounts of what I read. It was always hinted that Yunel was an awful person but that has never been the case with BJ. Yes, the lack of hustling is an issue and inexcusable but you can't make it like he is the only person on our team or in basball that doesn't hustle. It doesn't make it right but you have to take it in context. I would love it if he would realize that hey I suck right now so I should at least hustle but apprarently that is not the case.
 
stpeteirish said:
The issue isn't Upton vs Bourn; Bourn's gone. its Upton vs Schafer. Who should be out there after the break?

I'd tell BJ he has to be a leadoff man if he wants to stay in the lineup everyday, get on base and you play. Don't and we play Schafer, we need a leadoff man.
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Let's not fool ourselves in regards to Schafer. He is what he is.
 
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