Southcack77
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I've been surprised there was so much talk about this. like you said, it doesn't really matter.
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I've been surprised there was so much talk about this. like you said, it doesn't really matter.
The list is a little odd. From the Braves standpoint, I would expect to see Allard a little lower given his not so dominant year so far, and Soroka quite a bit higher given his flat out dominance this year. Obviously the ranking on Gohara is very low. He should be top 50 easy, if not top 30.
I've been saying it for the last few weeks, but Rutherford is overrated right now. He's obviously super talented, but guys who are both very far from the majors and also struggling do not deserve to be on this list (or at least in the top half of this list anyways). I'd say the same of Maitan if struggled the rest of the way this year as well.
I've been saying it for the last few weeks, but Rutherford is overrated right now. He's obviously super talented, but guys who are both very far from the majors and also struggling do not deserve to be on this list (or at least in the top half of this list anyways). I'd say the same of Maitan if struggled the rest of the way this year as well.
Southcack77
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Allard hasn't had a great year, but i don't think its entirely unusual that a player might have K rates fluctuate a bit in the minors. They are down this year and its concerning, but they can always bump up again - particularly as he adjusts to the level.
Still, I think he is imminently moveable if you are looking to move someone for something good.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Boards like this are for debating, but I agree with you wholeheartedly here. Both the Braves and White Sox are turning over the rosters. White Sox have seemed to get a bit more for the top shelf parts they traded off, but it all has to play out. Some guys step up and some guys don't. Maybe Allard's stuff isn't enough to get him over and maybe Kopech keeps doing his Nuke Laloosh thing. I always judge on tools and application. Some guys with great tools never get the finer points on the game down and don't live up to their early projections. My guess is two years from now, a quarter of the guys on this list have fallen off and another third will have graduated to the big leagues.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
2022?
SJ24
New member
who knows. we should honestly trade freddie to match up the timelines.
There is not a better threesome in the minors.
Sox are about to lose Moncada off these lists, so they will take a huge hit. Braves will lose Newk, but that's a much smaller hit.
Overall, the Braves should be solidly #1 once Moncada drops off.
This could be the case. In AAA he has been even more impressive than A or AA. Obvious small sample size, but his BB rate is back over 10%, his K rate is back down to 20%, and his BABIP is a much more reasonable .323...and it has produced a .940 OPS.
If he finishes the year with ~200 PAs in AAA with his current BB/K rates and an .850+ OPS at 19 years old....I don't see any way he isn't #1.
Agreed.
praeceps93
Roaming in Rome
Teams with 9: Braves (8, 19, 25, 35, 38, 44, 57, 58, 98)
Teams with 8: White Sox (1, 7, 12, 26, 45, 60, 61, 69)
Teams with 7: Rays (14, 18, 23, 77, 85, 95, 99)
Teams with 6: Dodgers (13, 28, 51, 71, 86, 89); Yankees (3, 27, 63, 79, 91, 94); Phillies (33, 52, 56, 64, 73, 74); Padres (29, 43, 55, 59, 62, 82)
Teams with 5: Reds (5, 21, 80, 81, 90); Astros (10, 40, 46, 54, 87); Brewers (15, 70, 83, 96, 97)
Teams with 4: Twins (31, 34, 76, 84); Cardinals (17, 36, 53, 65)
Teams with 3: Rockies (9, 66, 67); Tigers (72, 78, 100); Athletics (37, 39, 92); Pirates (20, 22, 88); Blue Jays (6, 30, 49)
Teams with 2: Red Sox (4, 48); Indians (16, 24); Mets (2, 41); Nationals (5, 42)
Teams with 1: Diamondbacks (75); Orioles (50); Cubs (93); Giants (68); Mariners (47); Rangers (32)
Teams with 0: Royals, Angels, Marlins
Teams with 8: White Sox (1, 7, 12, 26, 45, 60, 61, 69)
Teams with 7: Rays (14, 18, 23, 77, 85, 95, 99)
Teams with 6: Dodgers (13, 28, 51, 71, 86, 89); Yankees (3, 27, 63, 79, 91, 94); Phillies (33, 52, 56, 64, 73, 74); Padres (29, 43, 55, 59, 62, 82)
Teams with 5: Reds (5, 21, 80, 81, 90); Astros (10, 40, 46, 54, 87); Brewers (15, 70, 83, 96, 97)
Teams with 4: Twins (31, 34, 76, 84); Cardinals (17, 36, 53, 65)
Teams with 3: Rockies (9, 66, 67); Tigers (72, 78, 100); Athletics (37, 39, 92); Pirates (20, 22, 88); Blue Jays (6, 30, 49)
Teams with 2: Red Sox (4, 48); Indians (16, 24); Mets (2, 41); Nationals (5, 42)
Teams with 1: Diamondbacks (75); Orioles (50); Cubs (93); Giants (68); Mariners (47); Rangers (32)
Teams with 0: Royals, Angels, Marlins
praeceps93
Roaming in Rome
Assigning points to each spec with #1 getting 100, #2 getting 99, etc:
White Sox - 471
Braves - 470
Rays - 296
Padres - 276
Dodgers - 268
Astros - 268
Phillies - 254
Yankees - 249
Cardinals - 235
Reds - 228
Blue Jays - 218
Twins - 179
Pirates - 173
Indians - 162
Rockies - 161
Mets - 159
Nationals - 155
Red Sox - 150
Brewers - 144
Athletics - 135
Rangers - 69
Mariners - 54
Tigers - 53
Orioles - 51
Giants - 33
Diamondbacks - 26
Cubs - 8
Royals - 0
Angels - 0
Marlins- 0
White Sox - 471
Braves - 470
Rays - 296
Padres - 276
Dodgers - 268
Astros - 268
Phillies - 254
Yankees - 249
Cardinals - 235
Reds - 228
Blue Jays - 218
Twins - 179
Pirates - 173
Indians - 162
Rockies - 161
Mets - 159
Nationals - 155
Red Sox - 150
Brewers - 144
Athletics - 135
Rangers - 69
Mariners - 54
Tigers - 53
Orioles - 51
Giants - 33
Diamondbacks - 26
Cubs - 8
Royals - 0
Angels - 0
Marlins- 0
praeceps93
Roaming in Rome
For reference these are the scores from the BA Midseason top 100, after the Rutherford and Jimenez trades are accounted for:
Braves: 532
White Sox: 466
Astros: 302
Yankees: 275
Rays: 272
Indians: 241
Padres: 237
Blue Jays: 230
Phillies: 222
Cardinals: 219
Dodgers: 218
Brewers: 217
Reds: 205
Pirates: 177
Rockies: 166
Athletics: 156
Mets: 148
Twins: 144
Nationals: 130
Red Sox: 114
Tigers: 91
Orioles: 74
Rangers: 67
Mariners: 56
Diamondbacks: 33
Cubs: 18
Giants: 15
Angels: 3
Marlins: 0
Royals: 0
Braves: 532
White Sox: 466
Astros: 302
Yankees: 275
Rays: 272
Indians: 241
Padres: 237
Blue Jays: 230
Phillies: 222
Cardinals: 219
Dodgers: 218
Brewers: 217
Reds: 205
Pirates: 177
Rockies: 166
Athletics: 156
Mets: 148
Twins: 144
Nationals: 130
Red Sox: 114
Tigers: 91
Orioles: 74
Rangers: 67
Mariners: 56
Diamondbacks: 33
Cubs: 18
Giants: 15
Angels: 3
Marlins: 0
Royals: 0
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
the white Suxs and Braves are 170 points ahead of the Friars. That is a huge gap.. We should keep trading players and make this like the cold war of prospects. HorseHide.. where are you man.. We need some deals done ASAP..
By the time the offseason lists roll out, Acuna will be Top 2-3, Moncada will be off the Sox list, and the Braves will be #1 by a substantial margin.
LOL I'm shocked you think 2 Braves are underrated, but 2 Sox are overrated.
Who could have foresaw that opinion coming from a Braves homer haha?
praeceps93
Roaming in Rome
Yeah. I imagine we can see upticks for Acuna, Albies, Gohara. Others will likely stay around the same. Newcomb will drop off. For the Sox, I can see Cease and Lopez getting slight upticks, but probably no huge moves, with Moncada dropping off.
SJ24
New member
To be fair, Moncada is overrated.
My top 5 would consist of Acuna, Vladdy Jr., Francisco Mejia, Gleyber Torres (at SS), and Amed Rosario.
Guys like Moncada, Devers, Eloy, and Robles are in that next tier.
Acuna has been more impressive at age 19 in AAA than Yoan Moncada has been at age 22.
Acuna hits for a higher average, strikes out less, has more power, and has stolen DOUBLE the amount of bases this year.
If you want to argue who's the top prospect from a relative value standpoint, I'd listen to arguments for the two SS, Vladdy Jr., and Mejia.
Tapate50
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It doesn't mean he's far off.
Gohara and Soroka are doing way more than was expected than those two this year. I'd say they have improved their stock MUCH more than Moncada and Kop? Would you ?