GDT: July 10th, 2013 - Braves @ Marlins - Chris hitting 5th - Pastor SS

NinersSBChamps said:
Hitting at the top of a Cleveland lineup that is playing some solid baseball of their own. I would kill for our lead off hitter to hitting .280 and Bourn has never been a huge OBP player so that argument in null. Also he and his wife had a child earlier in the season.
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A leadoff hitter is supposed to get on base and he isn't getting on base at a great clip and he is trending down right now. Bourn is not a good offensive player and doesn't have an arm in CF. He is going to be a horrible player in two years. Good riddance.
 
ChapelHillMatt said:
Why is it ok to keep bringing up Bourn's bad 2nd half last year but give Upton a pass on his? (making excuses for him)

We don't need his power, we need a table setter. If we had Bourn instead of BJ this team would be a lot better than they are.
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LOOK AT THAT POWER HE HAD THERE
 
AUTiger7222 said:
Nobody is giving BJ a pass. Who here is giving BJ a pass for being a complete bust so far? We know you don't like him. Unfortunately you can't get rid of a guy who just signed the deal he did before 1 year has even passed. That's the issue here. We are stuck with him no matter how much we don't like it.
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When people say stuff like "give him time, he has a lot of ability, the switching of leagues has hurt him" they are making excuses for him.

I'm not right on every player, in fact I'm wrong a lot but I know I'm right on this. He's not going to live up to the contract we signed him for. He's going to continue to be the player he's always been.

Schafer needs to play more than he does if we want to get the most out of this team.
 
thethe said:
A leadoff hitter is supposed to get on base and he isn't getting on base at a great clip and he is trending down right now. Bourn is not a good offensive player and doesn't have an arm in CF. He is going to be a horrible player in two years. Good riddance.
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Unbelievable.
 
ChapelHillMatt said:
When people say stuff like "give him time, he has a lot of ability, the switching of leagues has hurt him" they are making excuses for him.

I'm not right on every player, in fact I'm wrong a lot but I know I'm right on this. He's not going to live up the contract we signed him for. He's going to continue to be the player he's always been.

Schafer needs to play more than he does if we want to get the most out of this team.
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Matt, if he is the player he has always been then the contract is justified considering he plays CF and the huge inflation we are about to see in spending. What he is doing now is downright disgusting. I hope he gets back to the player he was in Tampa.
 
ChapelHillMatt said:
When people say stuff like "give him time, he has a lot of ability, the switching of leagues has hurt him" they are making excuses for him.

I'm not right on every player, in fact I'm wrong a lot but I know I'm right on this. He's not going to live up to the contract we signed him for. He's going to continue to be the player he's always been.

Schafer needs to play more than he does if we want to get the most out of this team.
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But that's the thing here. He hasn't been the player he was in Tampa yet. The guy in Tampa never hit .175 going into the month of July. If he were hitting for his normal numbers he would be fine and living up to expectations. Unfortunately he's not. The Braves had no way of knowing he would completely tank. The Braves weren't going to pay Michael Bourn 4 years 60 million. That would have been far worst than the BJ deal is looking right now because of Bourn's age.
 
thethe said:
Matt, if he is the player he has always been then the contract is justified considering he plays CF and the huge inflation we are about to see in spending. What he is doing now is downright disgusting. I hope he gets back to the player he was in Tampa.
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15 million a season to any player who strikes out over 150 times and hits less than 30 homers isn't justified in anyway.
 
thethe said:
What is factual inaccurate about my post? He needs to get on base as a leadoff hitter. He has a terrible arm in CF.

This is not a comparison to BJ. BJ has been awful. We are just looking at Bourn right now.
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His arm isn't as bad as you are making it out to be, it's not like he's Pierre. He makes up for it with his range. He covers a lot of ground. He's better defensively than Upton is. At least Bourn gives 100%. Our RF'ers have to get to balls Upton doesn't because he doesn't hustle.

Bourn is hitting 280, his OBP isn't good but like Niners said it never has been a strength. He'll give you an OBP of around 340 when all is said and done with a good avg, lots of SB's and runs scored.

He's a good player and would fit this team really well.
 
And Tampa Bay not even thinking twice about letting him go should have raised flags right from the start. He hasn't gotten better as a major league hitter since he joined the Rays. The Braves were fools to think all of a sudden he was going to get it figured out.
 
thethe said:
Matt, if he is the player he has always been then the contract is justified considering he plays CF and the huge inflation we are about to see in spending. What he is doing now is downright disgusting. I hope he gets back to the player he was in Tampa.
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Honestly I don't. I don't want that type of player on this team, I think the best thing to happen would be him continue to struggle so we are forced to replace him (despite his contract)
 
I like the strategy here. Let the Pitcher hit a triple and have to run the bases hard. That should help us in the top of the 5th.

Oh and now walks the leadoff batter to make the pitcher stand out there longer while setting up the double play. I like this strategy.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
And Tampa Bay not even thinking twice about letting him go should have raised flags right from the start. He hasn't gotten better as a major league hitter since he joined the Rays. The Braves were fools to think all of a sudden he was going to get it figured out.
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Of course they didn't think twice about him walking. Because that's the way the Rays operate. It was no indictment on BJ.
 
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