Braves Call Up Max Fried, Board has Anuerysm

Do fans actually think that the management of a billion-dollar organization is playing things without a plan.

I understand if people disagree with the direction but this notion that the front office does not have a plan or a sense of the future is absurd
 
I don't know if it sits with some kind of master plan, but the player development staff sees these guys daily and probably have some ideas about what Fried can do. Probably fits in the bullpen for a bit, builds up some arm strength, and heads back to a starters' role. Only thing that could go wrong in that scenario is that Snitker will start over-using him and putting him into high leverage situations right off the bat. Curious to see how he does. He certainly looked great in spring training and most of the scouting oriented sites have had good things to say about him this year even with the underperformance.
 
thethe said:
Do fans actually think that the management of a billion-dollar organization is playing things without a plan.

I understand if people disagree with the direction but this notion that the front office does not have a plan or a sense of the future is absurd
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Its called strategic planning thethe. There is inherent danger to continually altering the plan. Now I understand that errors can be factored into whatever equation the Braves are using, but even the most posi fan can question what's been going on. And no. That's not absurd.
 
Deester11 said:
Its called strategic planning thethe. There is inherent danger to continually altering the plan. Now I understand that errors can be factored into whatever equation the Braves are using, but even the most posi fan can question what's been going on. And no. That's not absurd.
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I understand your point but your assumption is that the plan was altered how do we even know if that's true
 
This is disappointing. Had hoped to see Fried add 50 or so IP to his total last year so that he could be positioned for a full work load next year. I guess they could achieve this by having him pitch in the Caribbean this Fall / Winter, but it seems more likely they are viewing Fried as a RP now. I think he could succeed in that role, but wasn't ready to flip the switch just yet.
 
Deester11 said:
Its called strategic planning thethe. There is inherent danger to continually altering the plan. Now I understand that errors can be factored into whatever equation the Braves are using, but even the most posi fan can question what's been going on. And no. That's not absurd.
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Agreed. You have 25 players on the field and they either want to contend or see that they are part of a long-term plan. Put those guys on a constant emotional yo-yo and it doesn't create stability in the long or short terms. Same goes for fans to some extent.

But think of how Twins' players must feel. They obtain Jaime Garcia and the message is "we're going for it" and only a week later, he's traded again and "we're not." Let-down up here in the Twin Cities was palpable even though the Twins should have recognized they are at least a year or two away from being serious playoff contenders.
 
thethe said:
I understand if people disagree with the direction but this notion that the front office does not have a plan or a sense of the future is absurd
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Tell me how what Coppy has said in regards to how Swanson was brought up is part of a plan, or how many of the comments Hart has made recently about calling up players so they can "see what they have" fit into a plan of player development. Either they only have part of plan (player A is going to AAA and then going to the majors in July, and they do it no matter how they perform), or they don't really have a set plan in that regard, because their promotions and moves are all over the freaking place.

And the trust the FO knows best because they see the players everyday refrain is not a legit answer, as it has already been proven a lie with the Swanson move.

I'm happy with what the FO has done with drafting and player acquisition, and the majority of the moves building the team have been very good. But our promotions with players when they have not shown they are ready to be promoted are just bizarre and lack any sort of consistency or logic. It's hard to see any sort of plan there, particularly with the commentary the FO is making regarding the moves.
 
thethe said:
I understand your point but your assumption is that the plan was altered how do we even know if that's true
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I've never assumed anything with this FO. EVER! IMHO, the vision seemed clear early to me. And I embrace most of it because my prospect hounding is at an all time high. But several moves have been head scratchers. I think that's fair to say.
 
auyushu said:
Given they seem to be pulling things out of a hat to make decisions these days, I don't think even the FO can predict their moves. There definitely seems to be zero set plans with developing the youngsters, and that is really worrying. "Why not?" is not what I want to here for the reasoning for most of the player development decisions we make, and it seems to be a common refrain lately.
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Its like they have a kid running this stuff, everything seems impatient and rushed.
 
thethe said:
Do fans actually think that the management of a billion-dollar organization is playing things without a plan.

I understand if people disagree with the direction but this notion that the front office does not have a plan or a sense of the future is absurd
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see coppy's account of how the Swanson call up was decided
 
auyushu said:
Tell me how what Coppy has said in regards to how Swanson was brought up is part of a plan, or how many of the comments Hart has made recently about calling up players so they can "see what they have" fit into a plan of player development. Either they only have part of plan (player A is going to AAA and then going to the majors in July, and they do it now matter how they perform), or they don't really have a set plan in that regard, because their promotions and moves are all over the freaking place.

And trust the FO knows best because they see the players everyday refrain is not a legit answer, as it has already been proven a lie with the Swanson move.

I'm happy with what the FO has done with drafting and player acquisition, and the majority of the moves building the team have been very good. But our promotions with players when they have not shown they are ready to be promoted are just bizarre and lack any sort of consistency or logic. It's hard to see any sort of plan there, particularly with the commentary the FO is making regarding the moves.
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My post was not intended as a trust the front office beam it's simply refuting the fact that people believe there is no plan.

What they really should be saying is they disagree with the plan there's a big difference there
 
It would be really interesting to listen in on the discussions they have about these guys when making decisions. I get that we in Boardland are puzzled by these moves, but I suspect if we could listen in it would probably make more sense to us. We may still disagree, but I suspect that the coaches who work with them every day in a minor league camp know some things about them we don't.

I was thinking about the Hart interview during the game the other night. He said they needed to see what they have in some of these young guys and that that would happen for the rest of this year. This is actually quite consistent with that statement. You can stick with a plan... but part of that plan needs to test these guys... see how they perform to provide more information to use in determining their future role. If Max proves he can get major league hitters out, that will help dictate his future.
 
thethe said:
My post was not intended as a trust the front office beam it's simply refuting the fact that people believe there is no plan.

What they really should be saying is they disagree with the plan there's a big difference there
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What's the plan though?
 
mfree80 said:
It would be really interesting to listen in on the discussions they have about these guys when making decisions. I get that we in Boardland are puzzled by these moves, but I suspect if we could listen in it would probably make more sense to us. We may still disagree, but I suspect that the coaches who work with them every day in a minor league camp know some things about them we don't.

I was thinking about the Hart interview during the game the other night. He said they needed to see what they have in some of these young guys and that that would happen for the rest of this year. This is actually quite consistent with that statement. You can stick with a plan... but part of that plan needs to test these guys... see how they perform to provide more information to use in determining their future role. If Max proves he can get major league hitters out, that will help dictate his future.
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sounds like Hart is into small samples...Fried will probably get 15 innings in the majors
 
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Deester11 said:
Its called strategic planning thethe. There is inherent danger to continually altering the plan. Now I understand that errors can be factored into whatever equation the Braves are using, but even the most posi fan can question what's been going on. And no. That's not absurd.
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Funny thing about this though - I bet there's not a single poster here who's been sitting in on the meetings when "the plan" has been discussed, so it's even funnier when they say they're "altering the plan".
 
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