Playoff Rotation, Kris Medlen, etc...

Everyone knows I feel about Medlen. Not sure why you think that it a shock I think he is our best pitcher. Doesn't mean I don't like Minor.
 
thethe said:
Everyone knows I feel about Medlen. Not sure why you think that it a shock I think he is our best pitcher. Doesn't mean I don't like Minor.
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That's not what you were saying back in July. You said it was Minor and when Julio was hot Julio. It's not shocking, just proves my point that you believe in hot hands. I also have a small hunch that you like Medlen because he's short.
 
zitothebrave said:
That's not what you were saying back in July. You said it was Minor and when Julio was hot Julio. It's not shocking, just proves my point that you believe in hot hands. I also have a small hunch that you like Medlen because he's short.
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Because he is short? Thats such a weird thought process.
 
thethe said:
Because he is short? Thats such a weird thought process.
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That's really about all I can think as to why you have a clear bias towards Medlen. You like underdogs or something. Otherwise I don't get how you can think Medlen has been better than Minor, much less Julio.
 
zitothebrave said:
That's really about all I can think as to why you have a clear bias towards Medlen. You like underdogs or something. Otherwise I don't get how you can think Medlen has been better than Minor, much less Julio.
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I think he is better because Medlen over the last 1 1/2 years has shown that he has been. You think last year was just an absolute fluke. I think it showed what type of ability he has. His control was uncharacteristically off early in the year. Its back now.
 
thethe said:
I think he is better because Medlen over the last 1 1/2 years has shown that he has been. You think last year was just an absolute fluke. I think it showed what type of ability he has. His control was uncharacteristically off early in the year. Its back now.
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Last year wasn't so much a fluke as it was a hot streak. I mean there was a degree of luck but he pitched WAAAAY over his head. If you think Medlen is a 2 FIP pitcher like Wainwright, Kershaw or Harvey, you're dead wrong. I said last year he would have a FIP around 3.5 this year and it seems like I was right.
 
zitothebrave said:
Last year wasn't so much a fluke as it was a hot streak. I mean there was a degree of luck but he pitched WAAAAY over his head. If you think Medlen is a 2 FIP pitcher like Wainwright, Kershaw or Harvey, you're dead wrong. I said last year he would have a FIP around 3.5 this year and it seems like I was right.
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Never even came close to saying he was as good as those guys. Way to stretch the argument.
 
Your post literally said

"You think last year was just an absolute fluke. I think it showed what type of ability he has."

How am I stretching? If I said (not comparing to Medlen, just making a statement) that 2005 showed what ability Francoeur had wouldn't it mean I think mighty high of him? Possibly thing of him as an MVP candidate? (ok that last one was a dig, but I couldn't help myself)
 
That statement said his upside. That doesn't mean he will consistently reach that. Kershaw's ability is to shut out every team he pitches against. doesn't mean he will end the year without letting up any runs.
 
You're wrong Stretch Armstrong

Ability to me is the skillset you have. For example. Freddie's ability would be around a .300 BA with a close to .400 OBP and a good but not great power numbers. He has the potential to hit 60 homers because who doesn't with his size, but that's not his ability. You could say it was his ceiling last year, or his upside but that's not the same as his ability.
 
zitothebrave said:
Never said he wouldn't amount to much as a starter. Said he was average. Has he exceeded that? Yes. But not by too much. And we'll see if he can last as a starter, still have long term concerns because there aren't many 5-10 starters in baseball for a reason.

1. Minor is our best pitcher. Unless Medlen ends the year with better stats than him, that will be true. You said this back in May or whenever Medlen got hot last time and you were proven wrong, it will happen again. Medlen this year has been our 3rd best pitcher in terms of fWAR and watching the games that's where I'd put him. While he may be the hot hand now, Julio and Minor carried this staff through the tough times. Medlen turning it on while we're coasting to the playoffs doesn't mean too much for me.

2. Just goes to show you that you cannot predict pitchers health. Hanson's 22 and 23 year old seasons were some of the best a Braves prospect has had in ages (Julio and Wood have done as well of course but the Braves had a long dry spell)
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Actually you were hailing your reasoning at his 4.2 ERA when he broke in as the reasoning he was going to be a back end player, and best in the bullpen.

"Turning it on while we are coasting to the playoffs" - Oh .... wow. I guess thats all POV based, but having a pitcher hot going into the playoffs is the kind of stuff that wins you a championship. That is a good one there. Almost sig worthy.
 
Tapate50 said:
Actually you were hailing your reasoning at his 4.2 ERA when he broke in as the reasoning he was going to be a back end player, and best in the bullpen.

"Turning it on while we are coasting to the playoffs" - Oh .... wow. I guess thats all POV based, but having a pitcher hot going into the playoffs is the kind of stuff that wins you a championship. That is a good one there. Almost sig worthy.
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I don't believe I ever said backend player. I'm pretty sure my statement was "average starter ace reliever" probably verbatim. He's proven me wrong by being a better than average starter.
 
nsacpi said:
So in the first round assuming we have the home field advantage something like

Game 1 (Home) Minor

Game 2 (Home) Teheran

Game 3 (Away) Medlen

Game 4 (Away) Wood

Game 5 (Home) Minor
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Slight tweak ....

Vs Pittsburg , stl or la (provided we have home field adv. I'd go

Medlen 1,5

Teheran 2

Minor 3

Wood 4

Vs cin I'd go

Minor 1,5

Teheran 2

Medlen 3

Wood 4

I would want Teheran at home either way but switch Medlen and minor vs cin because minor is more homer prone
 
In a Bobby Cox world, it would be Garcia/Medlen/Minor

I think we'll see Fredi go Medlen/Minor/Julio

Either way, we need to go ahead and wrap up the division this weekend, so we can start setting it up.
 
Its not about who has been the best all year long. Its about who is the best right now. All 3 have been close so you go with the hot hand. There really is no right answer. Medlen was the obvious choice last year but maybe we win that game if Minor starts. Not that Medlen was bad but we loat do to chippers error.
 
zitothebrave said:
That's not what you were saying back in July. You said it was Minor and when Julio was hot Julio. It's not shocking, just proves my point that you believe in hot hands. I also have a small hunch that you like Medlen because he's short.
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What's wrong with believing in hot hands? I think teams in all sports get in trouble because they tend to be too loyal and don't go with the hot hand.....especially come playoff time. I'm the biggest Minor fan out there but Medlen has been our best pitcher for a little while now.
 
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