The Trump Presidency

'And if he utters one threat in the form of an overt threat, which by the way he has been uttering for years, and his family has been uttering for years, or if he does anything with respect to Guam or any place else that’s an American territory or an American ally, he will truly regret it and he will regret it fast,' Trump warned.

... something something walking back ...
 
ah, so we are back to Obama -- even calling him Barry

Rude Pundit opined that there will be no bombing because the same guy that made that un founded off the cuff threat is the same guy that said Mexico would pay for the wall and ACA would be repealed in his first week.

Problem is in diplomatic world, it is not clear N Korea understands the blow hard Trump is.

the ball is clearly in their court when a week ago we held all the cards.
Funny thing about threats.

Do you have kids Hawk ?
What is the biggest parenting mistake one can make ?
Threats without following through - because the first time a child learns that you don't have either the stomach or the patience to follow through with those threats they gottcha.

Mexico called Trumps bluff - and Austrailia called Trumps bluff. He was shunned at G8 and seen around the world as a puppet of Putin.
He has been in office 6 months

Even more telling about our situation with N Korea is Sen Feinsteins statement than Trumps bloviations.

Let's hope N Korea understands we have a paper tiger with his finger on the button.
Funny thing about paper tiger's ...

but you know that email server was bad judgement - even if the 2 previous Sec of States advised ... oh well.
Still, she couldn't be trusted.
My ass
 
Reuters) - If North Korea launches an attack that threatens the United States then China should stay neutral, but if the United States attacks first and tries to overthrow North Korea's government China will stop them, a Chinese state-run newspaper said on Friday.

President Donald Trump ratcheted up his rhetoric toward North Korea and its leader on Thursday, warning Pyongyang against attacking Guam or U.S. allies after it disclosed plans to fire missiles over Japan to land near the U.S. Pacific territory.

China, North Korea's most important ally and trading partner, has reiterated calls for calm during the current crisis. It has expressed frustration with both Pyongyang's repeated nuclear and missile tests and with behavior from South Korea and the United States that it sees as escalating tensions.

The widely read state-run Global Times, published by the ruling Communist Party's official People's Daily, wrote in an editorial that Beijing is not able to persuade either Washington or Pyongyang to back down.

"It needs to make clear its stance to all sides and make them understand that when their actions jeopardize China's interests, China will respond with a firm hand," said the paper, which does not represent government policy.

"China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles that threaten U.S. soil first and the U.S. retaliates, China will stay neutral," it added.

"If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so."

China has long worried that any conflict on the Korean peninsula, or a repeat of the 1950-53 Korean war, could unleash a wave of destabilizing refugees into its northeast, and could end up with a reunified county allied with the United States
 
57Brave said:
ah, so we are back to Obama -- even calling him Barry

Rude Pundit opined that there will be no bombing because the same guy that made that un founded off the cuff threat is the same guy that said Mexico would pay for the wall and ACA would be repealed in his first week.

Problem is in diplomatic world, it is not clear N Korea understands the blow hard Trump is.

the ball is clearly in their court when a week ago we held all the cards.
Funny thing about threats.

Do you have kids Hawk ?
What is the biggest parenting mistake one can make ?
Threats without following through - because the first time a child learns that you don't have either the stomach or the patience to follow through with those threats they gottcha.

Mexico called Trumps bluff - and Austrailia called Trumps bluff. He was shunned at G8 and seen around the world as a puppet of Putin.
He has been in office 6 months

Even more telling about our situation with N Korea is Sen Feinsteins statement than Trumps bloviations.

Let's hope N Korea understands we have a paper tiger with his finger on the button.
Funny thing about paper tiger's ...

but you know that email server was bad judgement - even if the 2 previous Sec of States advised ... oh well.
Still, she couldn't be trusted.
My ass
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Because pointing at him, vis-à-vis the currently unfolding North Korean drama, is like political manna. The current predicament in Asia rests squarely on his shoulders - and not just the unfavorable situation in North Korea, but the one in the Philippines, and also the continuing manifestation of the one in China.

Do you want to know why it's so easy to pivot to an assault on Obama's Asian policies? Because, unlike Clinton and unlike George W. Bush, he didn't have any.

You have nothing to defend. There is no debate to be had.

Don't get so caught up in how Trump delivered the message to North Korea. Instead, tell me why you think we should continue Obama's policy of leaving our South Korean and Japanese allies in the lurch.
 
I know Obama never publicly threatened WWIII - that is good enough for me.

We don't know anymore about Obama's dealing with N Korea than we did with his dealing with binLaden.
Of course he has detractors - of course 6 months after he's left office there are thousands of "well if he had ... " s

But end of the day he never threatened any one publicly so foolishly
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Trump threatened military action in Venezuela today too
 
57Brave said:
I know Obama never publicly threatened WWIII - that is good enough for me.

We don't know anymore about Obama's dealing with N Korea than we did with his dealing with binLaden.

Of course he has detractors - of course 6 months after he's left office there are thousands of "well if he had ... " s

But end of the day he never threatened any one publicly so foolishly

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Trump threatened military action in Venezuela today too
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And those policies led to a nuclear North Korea. Well done...
 
The Rude Pundit‏ @rudepundit 56m56 minutes ago

Venezuela? The **** did they do to us? Hey, @GOP, can you go back to not wanting the U.S. to be the police of the world?
 
sturg33 said:
Didn't Obama draw a "red line in the sand" ???

Talk about empty threats...paper tiger, if you will
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are you saying that gives Trump license to make the same mistakes ?

and when he makes those mistakes he is not to be held accountable ?
even more so with our recent history of lines in the sand

Did Obama threaten nuclear ?
I don't remember
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To his credit, Amash standing up. Hoping he follows through
 
57Brave said:
I know Obama never publicly threatened WWIII - that is good enough for me.

We don't know anymore about Obama's dealing with N Korea than we did with his dealing with binLaden.
Of course he has detractors - of course 6 months after he's left office there are thousands of "well if he had ... " s

But end of the day he never threatened any one publicly so foolishly
.............................................................................

Trump threatened military action in Venezuela today too
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I'm not sure why you insist on claiming that 'we don't know' what Obama's North Korean policy was. We do. It was defend (against) and contain. He put THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) in South Korea. He continued to (heavily) fund growth/expansion of the US military presence in SK. These are all positive things, but they weren't enough. Hell, even Susan Rice recently admitted, while also sideswiping the Bush doctrine, that the American policy toward North Korea over the past 20 years was a failure (and I quote).

I guess you are inferring that Obama could have tried back-channel efforts (or similar tactics) to reach/affect Pyongyang. Well, even if that were the case, we can comfortably say that those, too, also failed.
 
57Brave said:
are you saying that gives Trump license to make the same mistakes ?

and when he makes those mistakes he is not to be held accountable ?
even more so with our recent history of lines in the sand

Did Obama threaten nuclear ?
I don't remember
.............

To his credit, Amash standing up. Hoping he follows through
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You just ranted about Obama never threatening war.

Now you're admitting he did?

Of course he did... I believe he is the only President in US history who was at war during every year of an 8 year Presidency.

Trump learning from the best
 
57Brave said:
The Rude Pundit‏ @rudepundit 56m56 minutes ago

Venezuela? The **** did they do to us? Hey, @GOP, can you go back to not wanting the U.S. to be the police of the world?
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Well, they got a prominent US presidential candidate to say the US should be more like them
 
Hawk said:
I'm not sure why you insist on claiming that 'we don't know' what Obama's North Korean policy was. We do. It was defend (against) and contain. He put THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) in South Korea. He continued to (heavily) fund growth/expansion of the US military presence in SK. These are all positive things, but they weren't enough. Hell, even Susan Rice recently admitted, while also sideswiping the Bush doctrine, that the American policy toward North Korea over the past 20 years was a failure (and I quote).

I guess you are inferring that Obama could have tried back-channel efforts (or similar tactics) to reach/affect Pyongyang. Well, even if that were the case, we can comfortably say that those, too, also failed.
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and Sen Feinstein.

He believes on Wednesday what he believed on Monday regardless what happened Tuesday
Obama is out of office HRC lost

Trump has the hand he was dealt. Just like the 44 before him
 
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