The Trump Presidency

Julio3000 said:
They aren't afraid of their history, and they place it in the proper context, instead of doing what you suggest, by gauzing over it.
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Yeah, the context of accepting that it happened, learning from it, and moving the **** on.

German efficiency is a thing of beauty. Must be those fascist roots.
 
The Berlin Wall is also approximately half a century old. I wonder if the Germans are going to turn heel in another 50 or so years and demand the rest be taken down. Because acknowledgement.
 
Hawk said:
The Berlin Wall is also approximately half a century old. I wonder if the Germans are going to turn heel in another 50 or so years and demand the rest be taken down. Because acknowledgement.
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Um, isn't the whole point that their monuments are presenting a bald and unfrilled view of history, and ours are not?
 
"Almighty bless these brave boys who wore the death's-head, 'til the rightness of their cause is redeemed, and the inferior races are eliminated"

Doing that, then defending it for decades, is not how the Germans do it, nor is it a proper way to put events in context. If Germans "turned heel" and objected to that in 50 years, or even now, one could hardly blame them.
 
Julio3000 said:
Looks like Carl Icahn is bailing on Trump, too.
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Trump is the Titanic when it hit the iceberg

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Here is his administration with him steering:

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Hawk said:
Source?
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Dude. I just made that up as a satirical parallel between the eliminationist goals of the Nazis and the white supremacist goals of the Confederacy. I would've assumed that that was clear, but it's good to know that it was close enough to the original style as to have been mistaken for it.

Lord, everyone knows that the confederacy didn't want to eliminate the black population, just keep it in permanent subjugation and bondage, as enshrined in the documents of succession and the Confederate Constitution.
 
And your 'satirical parallel' required direct quotes?

I guess an inability to determine fact from fiction is par for the course in this thread.
 
Julio3000 said:
Doing that, then defending it for decades, is not how the Germans do it, nor is it a proper way to put events in context. If Germans "turned heel" and objected to that in 50 years, or even now, one could hardly blame them.
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Doing what?
 
Hawk said:
So, tell me, what is unbald and frilled about the Robert E. Lee statue in Charlottesville?
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The fact that the medium itself (the equestrian statue) is inherently idealized and heroic, dating back to classical times? The fact that there is none of the historical context that you say you're in favor of?
 
Julio3000 said:
The fact that the medium itself (the equestrian statue) is inherently idealized and heroic, dating back to classical times? The fact that there is none of the historical context that you say you're in favor of?
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Right. I think the idealized hero on a horse perspective would carry much more weight if the statue had been erected prior to or during the war. But it wasn't. It was conceived of as a part of the "City Beautiful" movement in Virginia in the early 1900s and commissioned at the same time, by the same benefactor, as sculptures of Lewis and Clark, Stonewall Jackson, and George Clark (all figures of significant historical import in the Commonwealth). The City Beautiful movement spawned out of the ashes of the second Industrial Revolution and had designs to neoclassically reinvent traditionally agrarian cities in light of new domestic realities. The movement also sought to reinstill traditional American moral and civic values to these 'lost' pockets of America. As you know, the post-bellum epoch was, in many ways, even more tumultuous than the war itself. Reconstruction was one thing, reconciliation another entirely.

So, if we are actually interested in looking at appropriate contexts instead of paying lip service to the idea by making our historical derivations through a strict lens, we'd take these words by a sculptor involved in the City Beautiful movement to heart: "It is self evident that our public monuments should give some adequate idea of history, both local and national. Their reason for being is to inspire the beholder with high ideals and to emulation of deeds of self-sacrifice, valor, or patriotism. [These sculptures could] supplement the study of books in our schools and form a part of our educational methods. Sculpture, in other words, could perform a valuable function by teaching history and serving as an inspiration for future charity and patriotism."

(And that's a real quote.)
 
Julio3000 said:
He HAD to? He just doesn't have your strength of character, I guess.
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yeah, if only he was strong enough to stand up for his stupid douchebag comment.

the humanity i tell ya

guess being offended isn't allowed by the so called freedom lovers
 
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