GDT: July 10th, 2013 - Braves @ Marlins - Chris hitting 5th - Pastor SS
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ChapelHillMatt
Approaching Buddy Hernandez Territory
Span would have been my choice
Or Revere
You can find players like that, they are out there.
Biggest thing is to target a leadoff hitter, not a power hitting OF'er. We didn't need more power on this team.
Wren said the reason they went with BJ was because he was a right handed power hitter. That was his reasoning. They thought Simmons could lead off and I'm sorry that was just a huge mistake.
NinersSBChamps
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Alright pals. I am off to class. Catch you all later. Go Braves!
Grayson Dawg
High School Draftee
Revere would have fit better than BJ IMO. For some reason Wren wanted the Upton's very badly.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
How did I miss the point of your post? If BJ were having his normal season we wouldn't be wasting bandwidth with people saying the same thing over and over again. Wasn't that the point of your post? To stop beating a dead horse?
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Span is hitting .264/.319/.359. That's not a leadoff hitter: that's hot garbage. He's also almost 30.
Revere is a better option, at 25, but he has horrible plate-discipline/isoOBP (and thus a poor OBP even with a high average); if he doesn't hit .300, he's useless.
I agree: it is easy to find terrible and not-very-good players, respectively.
At the time BJ Upton was signed the team did need more right-handed power.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Span is terrible and Revere is finally carrying a league average OBP to be a leadoff hitter.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
The point (or one of the points) was that it is obvious he's been horrible, so it doesn't really need to be stated. You responded by stating that he's been horrible this season.
Not trying to be a dick: but it seems like you replied to my post by doubling-down on the very thing I said was superfluous.
Balderdash!
ChapelHillMatt
Approaching Buddy Hernandez Territory
Ya'll completely are missing the point. This team needs/needed a leadoff hitter, it's as obvious as the nose on your face. So whether it's Bourn or someone else, taking the mindset that you could just plug a free swinging power hitter in this lineup and things would run smoothly was silly.
And FYI, this isn't a stance I'm taking based on Upton's performance. I took this stance in the offseason as well.
And FYI, this isn't a stance I'm taking based on Upton's performance. I took this stance in the offseason as well.
And everyone is really looking at the wrong problem to fix our leadoff spot. Simmons is the problem, not BJ. If Simmons would stop trying to rip the cover off the ball with every swing we would have a more than capable man leading off.
I agree...You didn't like UPton from the start. I just don't think there was a solid leadoff option out there...at least one that has been a solid leadoff hitter this year.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Good job that inning getting another run back. Still have a chance.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Well I simply fundamentally disagree regarding the significance of this prototypical leadoff hitter. The team needs productive hitters; it needs the players they've promoted, signed, or otherwise acquired to hit to the levels of their capabilities. Acquiring unproductive players like Span or (to a lesser extent) Revere, and giving them the greatest proportion of team PA, just because they're Official Leadoff-Style Hitters is unproductive.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
I was saying if he was having his normal season we wouldn't be having this discussion. BJ was never going to over night turn into a .300/.350/.475 hitter. It wasn't going to happen. For some reason a lot of people expected that from him so since it's not happened BJ gets talked about worst than he should be.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
I disagree with that. Having a Ricky Henderson, Otis Nixon, Marquis Grissom, Rafael Furcal, Michael Bourn, ect. type lead off hitter is overrated in my opinion. The Yankees teams that won all those World Series didn't have a guy in that mold and they did just fine.