Dissension in the front office?

Southcack77 said:
Law and Ken have pretty consistently been on opposite sides of the Braves rebuild opinions.

Ken seems to be close with Wren has written a number of articles taking his back against the Braves pointing at him as a scapegoat. He's written that Wren was not permitted an off year or a rebuild or a retool. And he's questioned the Braves for tearing down a solid team for the easier task of selling assets for prospects.

Law seems to like what Atlanta has done.

They could both be right.
Click to expand...

To clarify what he wrote, Law called it a "non story" in a response to Kens article. I tweeted him and asked about the power struggle and he said "there is none".
 
Oklahomabrave said:
Seems he thinks it's just a standard front office and the power struggle stuff is false.
Click to expand...

I've never known rosenthal to publish shady info, but maybe.

What we do know is management over the prospects and young pitchers has changed because there was a problem identified. Hopefully this helps the pitching develop because the rebuild depends on it.
 
Enscheff said:
I've never known rosenthal to publish shady info, but maybe.

What we do know is management over the prospects and young pitchers has changed because there was a problem identified. Hopefully this helps the pitching develop because the rebuild depends on it.
Click to expand...

Yeah Rosenthal is usually solid, but Law wouldn't be so adamantly against something he wasn't in the loop about. I just tend to just believe Keith over Ken because he never sticks his neck out on half information or guesses.
 
Oklahomabrave said:
Edit: I can't make the tweets show up, isn't it just [TW] at the beggining and end of link?
Click to expand...

You put the string of numbers at the end of the Twitter link into the TW brackets.

So:

[TW]902707089214201856[/TW]

[TW]902698537321947137[/TW]
 
Im always cautious to put too much stock in stories like these. All it takes is one staffer upset by his reassignment to start the rumor. The staffer probably even believes what he's saying.
 
I would be absolutely SHOCKED that Ken Rosenthal would report a negative 'story' about the Braves front office.
 
The problem I have with Rosenthal's assessment of the latter part of the Wren era is that we were still a solid team. All I can say is "Yeah, that's why we had Eliot Johnson at 2B." The team was walking along a very thin precipice with major free agency looming for several parts of the equation and a budget that wasn't going to accommodate retaining key parts of the squad. The sideways moves of the current regime have frustrated me, but, like Horsehide, I believe the rebuild was overdue. If Wren wanted to go that direction, he should have been allowed to do that. I just wonder what it would have looked like.
 
Oklahomabrave said:
To clarify what he wrote, Law called it a "non story" in a response to Kens article. I tweeted him and asked about the power struggle and he said "there is none".
Click to expand...

Not sure "there is none" - as there are always going to be differing opinion in EVERY team's front office - but do agree that this is all likely pretty overblown. I think a lot of this is happening all over baseball simply because so many teams are so afraid of letting executives walk if their name's not the one in the headlines. Everyone still refers to Theo when they talk about who runs the show in Chicago, and so on. The point many make about the amount of weight each opinion is given is a legitimate one, and even those of us labeled as "defenders" have always maintained that. I have no problem with JS, Bobby, and Hart "weighing in" and telling Coppy what they think, but as the current GM (and guy supposedly responsible for the day-to-day operations), HE needs to be the one making the decisions. The old guard have been asked to hang around as "advisors", and that's exactly where their influence should end.

DMGM left because he wasn't getting any closer to being that guy, and he didn't see that time on the horizon. If JS, Bobby, and Hart are the ones pulling the strings like many around here think, Coppy won't be here much longer either. If that time comes in the near future, then there's going to be something worth talking about.
 
Well, what was likely an idle, speculative comment provided fodder for four pages of discussion on the board. I guess that has some value. Other than that it appears to be much ado about nothing.
 
Oklahomabrave said:
Yeah Rosenthal is usually solid, but Law wouldn't be so adamantly against something he wasn't in the loop about. I just tend to just believe Keith over Ken because he never sticks his neck out on half information or guesses.
Click to expand...

It's also a $1 to read those articles from Rosenthal also, don't know how he thinks that's gonna work when you can get basically everything for free now including porn...
 
Enscheff said:
I've been saying there are problems in the FO for months. Coppy distancing himself from the Swanson promotion, all the recently promoted pitchers flopping, and the Braves needing to unload salary when a brand new ballpark is supposed to dramatically boost revenues should be clear signs to all but the fans with their heads buried deepest in the sand.
Click to expand...

the swanson promotion. holy **** not this again.
 
Jim: So, I’m not trying to name names….but, it sure sounds like that Rosenthal article had the Wren family(Frank or Jeff) written all over it. Okay – so there are some names.
Keith Law: That was my immediate assumption too. Atlanta promoted and reassigned a bunch of people, like every team does every fall. The rest sounded like bull****.
 
Is it just me, or does Law seem to be bending over backwards to pimp the Braves? He sounds like a beat writer lately.
 
thewupk said:
where there is smoke there is fire. or does this only pertain to the Frank Wren led FO?
Click to expand...

How dare you mention he who should not be named. He's persona non grata. We fired everyone pertaining to him, except the President, and special advisors, and a **** ton of other people.

What I found the funniest about the Wren fiasco isn't would we be in a better place with him or not because I don't think that's particularly relevant, though Wren IMO had a better trade record than JS or Coppy.

First big move was trading Renteria for Jurrjens and Hernandez. Which is about equal return we got for Heyward and Renteria was no Heyward. He also brought in INfante for nothing. Wren then made the brilliant Vazquez trade which was huge for us, and then he flipped him again for a hugely positive return if Melky Cabrera had decided to take steroids one year earlier it would have been lights out.

Kicker is from what I have read most of Wren's bad moves weren't his fault really. Letting Francisco go had to do with Cox wanting an extra OF or pitcher I forget which, Same with the Tex trade and signing Garret Anderson.

And then in the end, Wren was fired for wanting to fire Bobby's boy Fredi. Which of course was the right move to make given that in all of 2015 and 2016 he showed even more ineptitude and his gross mismanagement of players in 2014 was why we blew the lead. Wren screwed up in 2014 of course, but Fredi was the biggest reason for our failure.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top