Luiz Henrique Gohara

We've gone from Gohara is a weak acquisition who will never be a starter in the majors to Gohara is the most critical prospect in the organization in a year and the rebuild is riding on him. Thats' dizzying. Good job, Gohara.

I'm interested to see him pitch, but the walks seems like a sore point again.
 
Southcack77 said:
We've gone from Gohara is a weak acquisition who will never be a starter in the majors to Gohara is the most critical prospect in the organization in a year and the rebuild is riding on him. Thats' dizzying. Good job, Gohara.

I'm interested to see him pitch, but the walks seems like a sore point again.
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clv gonna clv.

His walks are a little concerning, but a 20 year old walking 4 per 9 in AAA is a very different scenario than a 24 year old walking 5 per 9 at the same level.

Of all the things to worry about with Gohara, I think his control ranks around #3 or #4 on the list.
 
Enscheff said:
clv gonna clv.

His walks are a little concerning, but a 20 year old walking 4 per 9 in AAA is a very different scenario than a 24 year old walking 5 per 9 at the same level.

Of all the things to worry about with Gohara, I think his control ranks around #3 or #4 on the list.
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Also what's been nice to see is that Gohara has shown the ability to improve his control. Newcomb, not so much. Still think your making too much of his injury past and weight. Hasn't seemed to effect him in what's been his biggest workload by far.
 
Enscheff said:
clv gonna clv.

His walks are a little concerning, but a 20 year old walking 4 per 9 in AAA is a very different scenario than a 24 year old walking 5 per 9 at the same level.

Of all the things to worry about with Gohara, I think his control ranks around #3 or #4 on the list.
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Agreed. That waistline and his rumored proclivities with the brown bottle sauce are scary.
 
I wonder if the Rockies would do a Folty for Dahl.

Dahl seems somewhat injury prone but has promise

Folty is older. But has proved more so far and looks more durable.

You gamble that Dahl ever gets healthy but a Dahl, Inciarte, Acuna OF would make me feel better than Kemp, Inciarte, Markakis
 
Horsehide Harry said:
I wonder if the Rockies would do a Folty for Dahl.

Dahl seems somewhat injury prone but has promise

Folty is older. But has proved more so far and looks more durable.

You gamble that Dahl ever gets healthy but a Dahl, Inciarte, Acuna OF would make me feel better than Kemp, Inciarte, Markakis
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I like this!
 
Enscheff said:
I expected Wright to dominate more in short bursts, but I don't think it has changed his outlook at all.
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I can get on board with this...there's no way of knowing if fatigue could be a factor, if he's working on something, etc but I agree that such a SSS shouldn't effect his prospect status at all
 
Horsehide Harry said:
I agree with al that.

This isn't the 1970s or 80s and the raves of the 90s were instrumental in bringing about a more narrow stem zone.

A guy topping out at 90 these days has no chance to be a TOR starter no matter what Don Sutton says. Even if you have a awesome secondary pitch all that means is you'll end up a high leverage reliever
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Well I think that's stating the obvious. Guys who throw harder are going to have higher ceilings, in general.

But I wouldn't say guys topping out at at or near 90 have no chance to be a TOR, though certainly it's a bit of a rarity. But guys like Jered Weaver, Dan Haren, and Mark Buehrle do exist and I'd definitely classify each guy as an Ace during a good portion of their careers.
 
Carp said:
Well I think that's stating the obvious. Guys who throw harder are going to have higher ceilings, in general.

But I wouldn't say guys topping out at at or near 90 have no chance to be a TOR, though certainly it's a bit of a rarity. But guys like Jered Weaver, Dan Haren, and Mark Buehrle do exist and I'd definitely classify each guy as an Ace during a good portion of their careers.
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I think most are concerned with the modern game, not the game 10 years ago when average velocity was 2 MPH less. Haren averaging 91-92 then is the same as someone averaging 93-94 now.
 
I am not high on Wright but what I am looking at is k rate and walk rate. His K rate is fine and his walk rate is okay. I would assume his control will be better with regular work. Not really worth reevaluating him until he gets about a half season in next year.
 
Enscheff said:
I think most are concerned with the modern game, not the game 10 years ago when average velocity was 2 MPH less. Haren averaging 91-92 then is the same as someone averaging 93-94 now.
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Bumgarner = 91.0

Greinke = 90.9

Dallas Keuchel = 88.6

King Felix = 90.5

Hell the best in the game, kershaw is only 92.8
 
msstate7 said:
Bumgarner = 91.0

Greinke = 90.9

Dallas Keuchel = 88.6

King Felix = 90.5

Hell the best in the game, kershaw is only 92.8
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Yes, elite pitchers can continue to be good as their velocity declines. We already know that about pitcher aging curves.

Those guys threw much harder when they broke into the majors.

Im not sure why folks argue about the things they do haha.

Should I list out 5 good pitchers that throw much harder? Or 5 bad pitchers who throw about that hard? Do we still think anecdotal evidence proves anything? I guess some do...
 
Enscheff said:
Yes, elite pitchers can continue to be good as their velocity declines. We already know that about pitcher aging curves.

Those guys threw much harder when they broke into the majors.

Im not sure why folks argue about the things they do haha.

Should I list out 5 good pitchers that throw much harder? Or 5 bad pitchers who throw about that hard? Do we still think anecdotal evidence proves anything? I guess some do...
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Just listing 5 current TOR guys that aren't lighting up the radar gun

BTW, here's their rookie avg fastball...

ZG = 89.1

CK = 94.0

MB = 89.2

KF = 95.8

DK = 88.0
 
msstate7 said:
Just listing 5 current TOR guys that aren't lighting up the radar gun

BTW, here's their rookie avg fastball...

ZG = 89.1

CK = 94.0

MB = 89.2

KF = 95.8

DK = 88.0
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Ok you're right. You have proven guys that only throw 90 can be Aces and the Braves should plan accordingly.
 
Enscheff said:
Ok you're right. You have proven guys that only throw 90 can be Aces and the Braves should plan accordingly.
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That's all I wanted. Took awhile, but you finally realize my superior baseball knowledge.

Haha... not saying we should find guys that only throw round 90. Just saying that 95+ isn't the only way. It's certainly the easier path though
 
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