Enscheff has been a model citizen, and is to be commended!!!
Analyzing Fried's stuff
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Enscheff has been a model citizen, and is to be commended!!!
During his start last night, Fried's FA topped out at 96.8, and averaged 92.1. It sat around 90 early, but he was able to ramp it up 2-3 ticks later in the start. This is good news.
He also threw enough changes that we could get an idea of how good it is. 7.5 horizontal and 4.4 vertical are both below average for a change.
The command is currently poor at the MLB level, but everything else he has done suggests he could have fringe average command with more reps.
I'll pretty much stick with my first impressions...
FF: 45
CU: 65
CH: 40
Command: 45
That looks like a long man out of the BP, or a very good LOOGY.
He also threw enough changes that we could get an idea of how good it is. 7.5 horizontal and 4.4 vertical are both below average for a change.
The command is currently poor at the MLB level, but everything else he has done suggests he could have fringe average command with more reps.
I'll pretty much stick with my first impressions...
FF: 45
CU: 65
CH: 40
Command: 45
That looks like a long man out of the BP, or a very good LOOGY.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
I think LOOGY is his floor. He should be very good there and could do it today and for cheap.
If we ever had the balls to go to a multi inning reliever model we would have a number of guys who I think would be NICE going through a line up once.
Scouts that watched him seem to think he had a very high ceiling. So we will see how he progresses. He's interesting given this is year two (?) off of TJ.
I don't see how he gets RH out w/o a better third pitch. As good as the curve is, it's going right into HR alley on the RH swing. Klaw seems to be very high on him despite his struggles in the minors.
Oklahomabrave
Anytime Now Frankie...
Are you looking at his average for the year or as a starter? I'm not sure how big of a difference each integer represents- but his verticle movement on 8 CH ups yesterday was 8.45, compared to the under 5 verticle movement he had as a reliever.
Also worth noting that throughout his entire career he has generated a ton of ground balls, many of which seem to be the result of his FB which generates a ton of them. That could be a big boon to his FB success, no?
GeorgiaGirl
NL Rookie of the Year
This is just a lost season for Max because of even more incompetence by the Braves, he was pitching injured right from the beginning of the season and the Braves didn't stop this for months.
Southcack77
Well-known member
His injury was blisters. How was it incompetent for the Braves to allow him to get blisters and why would they have stopped him from trying to pitch through them.
His season was so lost that he has made his AA, AAA, and major league debuts as well as his first start of his career, a successful one. Ask him if he considers this a lost season.
GeorgiaGirl
NL Rookie of the Year
Like I have said before, he hurt his back in his first start in AA and Southern League observers said that he looked injured all season long and should have gone on the DL after that start instead of just getting his second start pushed back.
Don't think anyone would argue that point in the least. But here's the more pertinent question - at what point in time do you stop letting your disdain for the front office stop clouding your judgement?
Fried's second start came against the Tennessee Smokies on Tax Day (April 15th), and he went 6 IP while giving up 1 ER on 4 hits with 4 Ks and 2 BBs. That looks A LOT like his line against the Cubs yesterday.
On the same day, Acuna was hitting .233/.281/.300/.581 with 1 XBH for Florida.
Nothing's changed since then, right???
Thanks for the new stats Enscheff. Just from what everyone was saying Allard and Fried were my favorite Braves pitching prospects to end last year and early this year. Fried had some weird minors stats and looked so so out of the bullpen, but as his start progressed I was very impressed.
I have no idea how he gained a few mph on his fastball as the game went on. It seemed to me that he was throwing some sort of sinking fastball early, it started getting hit and he went to a straighter harder one. The first one that shocked me induced a double play and suddenly jumped up to 96 on the TV radar. This start moved Fried past Newcomb and Sims in my mind. We don't have many off days the rest of the way, I'd like to see us go to a 6 man rotation. Or tell Dickey we are picking up his option for next year (which I think we should) and dropping him from the rotation unless something comes up.
I have no idea how he gained a few mph on his fastball as the game went on. It seemed to me that he was throwing some sort of sinking fastball early, it started getting hit and he went to a straighter harder one. The first one that shocked me induced a double play and suddenly jumped up to 96 on the TV radar. This start moved Fried past Newcomb and Sims in my mind. We don't have many off days the rest of the way, I'd like to see us go to a 6 man rotation. Or tell Dickey we are picking up his option for next year (which I think we should) and dropping him from the rotation unless something comes up.
Lol...what...the...****??
I too wish we could have the balls to go to a multi inning reliever model. Since we really haven't developed that top of the rotation starter yet, but have a lot of serviceable pitchers, going with a multi inning reliever model would be amazing. Imagine having Folty start a game a go through the lineup once, then having Wisler or Blair come in and go through once, then have Fried come in and go through once. By only throwing (hopefully) 40ish so pitches they'd be able to go again in a couple of days. But we are so far behind the eightball on analytics and rely too heavily on outdated stats that we'd never give up on the ability for the starter to get the "win".
Maybe we could check and see how that is working for the advanced analytics teams that are doing it.... Oh, wait.
Honestly, I doubt nobody has thought of the idea, but nobody is doing it. That ought to tell us something.
msstate7
Well-known member
My bulldogs (miss state) did it all the way up the college World Series final.
Okay. That counts. Any MLB Teams?
Horsehide Harry
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msstate7
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Not yet. Perhaps the braves should hire John Cohen (state's old coach) haha, but we have snit, so maybe not haha
Honest question, because I'm not entirely sure.
Aren't arm speed and change in velocity the primary two factors in a changeup's quality? Certainly movement is going to be important, but it seems like deception would be key in how useful a pitcher's changeup is. What was the average velocity on his change, and do we know if he's able to keep his arm speed the same while throwing it?
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Nobody is doing it b/c they all want dominant 1 inning guys.
I think there is a market inefficiency on pitchers who are good enough to get through the lineup once but not multiple times. 2 pitch starters. A lot of analytic people have said it's a good idea but someone has to be first. "Nobody" was using their "closer" outside of the 9th inning until last year.
Ultimately it's up to managers to start doing it, and who is willing to go there? Pretty much all managers are still old-school guys at heart, even somebody like Maddon. You're starting to see some bending of the traditional RP roles, especially in the postseason with guys like Andrew Miller. I think we'll get there eventually because I think you're right. Starters are going shorter and shorter, and we're starting to see some managers willing to go beyond the (actually modern) rule of no more than an inning at a time. Especially with the rise of guys who just get 1-2 outs as well, something has to give at some point so that your longer relievers aren't worn thin. The answer is to have more guys who are able to go more than an inning at a time.
I'm not sure we're anywhere close to a time where a team will go with the '3 pitchers pitching 3 innings' idea, but I do think we'll start seeing some relievers who typically go 2+ innings every few days.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Which isn't all that new. It happened with relative frequency pre-1980s when the closer role and more defined bullpen roles became the norm.