Playoffs Thread

Super said:
What am I not seeing because I don't want to?

I didn't say it wasn't a good offensive season.

I also never brought up the .800 OPS threshold - cyyoung31 did, and said "but the fact is he would've OPS'd north of .800 3 of his first 4 years." I pointed out that that is not a fact, which is absolutely 100% objectively true. that fact upset him mightily, and then he (and now you) both created scenarios and sliced numbers up how you wanted in order to show .800 was a guarantee! you started at a point you wanted to reach, and went backwards justifying it.

you then said..

"Heyward started out slow in 2013 and even after his appendectomy it took him awhile to get going again. From June 1st until he got hit in the face he hit 297/373/498 -871. 201 ISO which is about what you would expect from him before the injury.."

Why would I expect that from him before the injury when he had never done it before over a full season?

You're absolutely right that people see what they want to see.
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I referring to the .200 ISO which is something you would expect
 
msstate7 said:
Cat and thewupk, I’m bowing out of this argument. I really don’t care either way... I’ve just been passing the time this week. You two are probably right. Have a great weekend
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I know I am right. Heyward as a hitter has not been the same since 2014. You can say it has been the league suddenly figuring him out after 4 years in the league or a significant injury totally messing up his hitting style. Believe what you want.
 
msstate7 said:
His slugging was higher in ‘15. His wRC+ was higher in ‘15. He was collecting fWAR at a much higher rate in ‘15. ‘15 was his career high in fWAR. He was a better player in ‘15. If it was so obvious Joey was a shadow of his former greatness, then why was he a highly coveted FA?
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Raw slugging is directly impacted by batting average. Heyward had a high (for him at this point) BABIP of 329 that year and it inflated his batting average and slugging accordingly. Heyward's ISO (which is what most people refer to as power) of 146 in 2015 was 5th best of his year. His 4 best ISO seasons were all pre injury. But I'm sure that has nothing to do with it.
 
thewupk said:
I know I am right. Heyward as a hitter has not been the same since 2014. You can say it has been the league suddenly figuring him out after 4 years in the league or a significant injury totally messing up his hitting style. Believe what you want.
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If only the cubs had as great of a baseball mind as you, they could’ve saved that awful contract on an overrated player
 
msstate7 said:
If only the cubs had as great of a baseball mind as you, they could’ve saved that awful contract on an overrated player
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I am stating this after the fact of course. At the time many had hoped that his 140 ISO was a sign of his power starting to come back and that he could be the hitter he was pre injury. Obviously that was wrong.
 
thewupk said:
I am stating this after the fact of course. At the time many had hoped that his 140 ISO was a sign of his power starting to come back and that he could be the hitter he was pre injury. Obviously that was wrong.
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I’m playing, dude. I just like getting a rise out of you jhey lovers. I loved jhey when he was here and lost all attachment when he left... like all ex-braves.
 
msstate7 said:
Bye cubs hahahahajahAha
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Not sure of the Cubs hate here.

While I'm a former Chicagoan, I was a Southsider, and never adopted the Cubs as any sort of team. Still, as a Braves fan, and a fan of good taste, I'd much rather see the Cubs in the Series over the Dodgers (or winning the Series over the Yankees, for that matter).

Still holding my flame for the Astros, though.
 
jpx7 said:
Not sure of the Cubs hate here.

While I'm a former Chicagoan, I was a Southsider, and never adopted the Cubs as any sort of team. Still, as a Braves fan, and a fan of good taste, I'd much rather see the Cubs in the Series over the Dodgers (or winning the Series over the Yankees, for that matter).

Still holding my flame for the Astros, though.
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I think its the typical recent winners hate that teams get.
 
jpx7 said:
Not sure of the Cubs hate here.

While I'm a former Chicagoan, I was a Southsider, and never adopted the Cubs as any sort of team. Still, as a Braves fan, and a fan of good taste, I'd much rather see the Cubs in the Series over the Dodgers (or winning the Series over the Yankees, for that matter).

Still holding my flame for the Astros, though.
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Just don’t like them and quite frankly, never have. I hated them when harry and Steve stone were calling games with sandberg, dunston, and grace... nothing’s changed
 
jpx7 said:
Not sure of the Cubs hate here.

While I'm a former Chicagoan, I was a Southsider, and never adopted the Cubs as any sort of team. Still, as a Braves fan, and a fan of good taste, I'd much rather see the Cubs in the Series over the Dodgers (or winning the Series over the Yankees, for that matter).

Still holding my flame for the Astros, though.
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Growing up in the era when I did, the Cubs were a pure laughingstock with some very good players (Ernie Banks, Ron Santo, Billy Williams, Ferguson Jenkins, etc.) who labored for some terrible teams. The problem was when WGN went national, they generated a set of no-nothing fandom (as one Southside cabbie once told a Minneapolis Tribune columnist "The Cubs' fans' favorite player is Harry Caray.) that cuddled up to the lovable losers. I'm sure the Braves generated a similar set of some fans' ire when TBS went national and Lord knows there's a ton of distaste for the Dallas Cowboys.

So it's really not the Cubs' team and management for which I bear any measure of disdain (although I think Maddon is unbelievably overrated), it's their goofy fan base. I feel the same way about the Red Sox.

Like you, I am all in on the Astros. And if it's Yanks/Dodgers, I could flip a coin. It's like going back to the 1970s. I just hope Tommy LaSorda doesn't show up. All this said, I'd go Ddogers in that match-up.
 
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