Hollywood/Political Sex Offense Scandals (Now Louis CK and AL-GOPSenateNom Roy Moore)

Carp said:
Today be fair, she says sexual assault/sexual harassment. They are not equal. And to my knowledge, she has never called it rape or sexual assault, though certainly it could be that it was.

And not that it isn't extremely inappropriate behavior and a clear abuse of power. But there's most certainly a clear distinction between the two.
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So she calls it "sexual assault/sexual harassment" but she has never called it "sexual assault"? Don't trip over your own feet there.

Clear distinction between the two? What are you talking about?
 
Hawk said:
Sexual assault is rape. Sexual harassment can certainly be a kind of rape.

Seems an odd quibble to make.
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Not really an odd quibble at all, since they're neither legally nor colloquially synonymous.

But, as I said, I believe Bill Clinton is most likely a rapist, so yours is the quibble that seems odd.
 
jpx7 said:
But, as I said, I believe Bill Clinton is most likely a rapist, so yours is the quibble that seems odd.
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You don't believe that Bill Clinton raped Monica Lewinsky?

Based on what we all already know, not probability.
 
Hawk said:
Coercion is not consent, y'all.
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coerce --- persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.
"he was coerced into giving evidence"

I don't think this applies to Bill and Monica. Sorry.
 
Hawk said:
A) Simply inaccurate.

B) Sure, but we're not speaking colloquially.
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Not inaccurate. Rape is unwanted penetration; sexual assault is unwanted touching of any sexual nature. Those are just the definitions.

As for the Lewinsly case, I'm not studied enough on the details to know whether she's claimed coercion or not—but you're absolutely right that one cannot coerce consent. I say "probably" because I'm basing my opinion simply on the fact his improprieties have been alleged by multiple accusers—but I haven't looked into details because I don't really give a **** about Bill Clinton. He's a Third Way albatross on the party and his sex crimes make me wonder why woke-performative centrists spend so much effort propping him up.
 
Runnin said:
coerce --- persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.
"he was coerced into giving evidence"

I don't think this applies to Bill and Monica. Sorry.
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1. to compel by force, intimidation, or authority, especially without regard for individual desire or volition

Come on dude.
 
Hawk said:
Murmur a little about those other things.
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There are plenty of sexually inappropriate actions that are not rape, and I am sure Clinton is guilty of any number of them with regards Monica Lewinsky. Shouting "RAPE" here seems deliberately misleading, though. That does not seem to be what she is claiming.
 
jpx7 said:
Not inaccurate. Rape is unwanted penetration; sexual assault is unwanted touching of any sexual nature. Those are just the definitions.
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I’m not sure where you are getting your information from here, but it’s off base. That particular distinction does not exist in the law. Rape falls under the umbrella of sexual assault. Fondling is not even sexual assault, atleast in how it is codified.

As for the Lewinsly case, I'm not studied enough on the details to know whether she's claimed coercion or not—but you're absolutely right that one cannot coerce consent. I say "probably" because I'm basing my opinion simply on the fact his improprieties have been alleged by multiple accusers—but I haven't looked into details because I don't really give a **** about Bill Clinton. He's a Third Way albatross on the party and his sex crimes make me wonder why woke-performative centrists spend so much effort propping him up.
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I’m saying the coercion was inherent.
 
Metaphysicist said:
There are plenty of sexually inappropriate actions that are not rape, and I am sure Clinton is guilty of any number of them with regards Monica Lewinsky. Shouting "RAPE" here seems deliberately misleading, though. That does not seem to be what she is claiming.
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Does it? Frankly, passing Clinton’s behavior off as being merely ‘sexually inappropriate’ seems exponentially more misleading to me.
 
People are assuming when Lewinsky typed #MeToo she was referring to Clinton.

My memory tells me she was not on board with Starr investigation. That it was she who instigated contact.

She in fact bordered on staulking Clinton.

There are photos etc
 
Hawk said:
So she calls it "sexual assault/sexual harassment" but she has never called it "sexual assault"? Don't trip over your own feet there.

Clear distinction between the two? What are you talking about?
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Sexual harassment isn't a crime. Sexual Assault is. There is most certainly a clear distinction between the two.

With that being said, it's entirely possible she did mean rape, even though that isn't what she claimed long ago. Still, there is a clear distinction between the two. The fact that she felt the need to type "sexual assault/sexual harassment" even implies that there is a distinct difference.
 
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