Breaking Bad

Read an interview with the writer of this past episode.

When asked "How much darker is this journey going to get for Jesse?"

Response: "The darkness is going to be pitch black. Jesse’s got a very long road ahead of him."

When asked for advice on watching the last two episodes, particularly the next one:

Response: "Medication. Whatever form that takes. Astronaut diapers. Keep soft objects around. You’re in for a couple of uncomfortable, extraordinary, nerve-shattering evenings."

Well then....
 
CyYoung31 said:
There's some stuff I'm not crazy about, but that's to be expected with the conclusion to almost every series. Endings are the hardest things to write, especially with an intricate plot such as this. Overall though, this second half has been thrilling. I think the last episode may have been the best in the entire series.

One thing I'm not crazy about is how Hank has seemed to suddenly forget that Walt is his brother-in-law. It would be fine if that happened over a period of time, but I don't think that was given enough development. It deserved like a half a season at least, and it got about two episodes. When Hank arrests Walt, it's like he sees it as a moment of triumph, when he really should be seeing it as a moment of tragedy. But, there's still 3 episodes left so maybe they'll do something more with it. Although, I really don't see how Hank survives the next episode.
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It isn't a moment of tragedy. Walt is a frickin' psychopath who has been using this "family" excuse to play out a lot of pent up crap (business failure, cancer, etc.). It's just shallow justification. I've watched most of the show, especially the last couple of seasons, and Walt's "family" schtick is the thing that has bothered me the most about the show. I hear the "it's all about the family" crap coming out of just about every right-wing outfit these days and I hope Gilligan's take on this is one of cultural critique and that Walt should be seen as what he is, which is a psychopath.

Don't get me wrong. It's a good show. The cast--especially Cranston, Gunn, and Paul--deserve every accolade they've received. I've been a Bob Odenkirk fan for 20 years and he's shown me a ton.

It's fiction, so the whole implausibility angle doesn't bother me. It's been a well-told tale.

As for Walt, I hope Skylar puts a bullet into his forehead.
 
I think Gilligan's done a pretty nice job of showing what really motivates Walt and how much of a twisted **** he is. The last scene of last night's episode illustrates that pretty well. If you go back and watch a couple flashbacks to before he got married and everything, he had more swagger than he did in the first few episodes of the show. Heisenberg was always there, just laid dormant for a while.
 
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I like how Walt changes. Cranston cannot get enough credit for that.

As far as the family thing goes 50, I think that mainly has to do with what his original intention was. Make enough money so that his family would get by. Then the ego kicks in and as he gets more and more indestructible the ego grew.

My guess what may go for the ending is for Walt to go and take down the Neo Nazis. And he succeeds/ I'm guessing that Lydia hires someone to help him take care of them, she seems none too pleased with the risks they're taking and probably wants to keep Jesse for herself.

Nazis have been using all the info Walt gave them on Jesse to manipulate Jesse in a much crueler way than Walt ever would. I'm guessing this leads to Jesse having the gun on Walt. Skylar shoots Jesse Lydia shoots Skylar, Walt Jr. Shoots Lydia than kills himself, Walt is arrested and left without his family or his fortunes. Can't remember the baby's name but she gets raised by Marie and Marie is horribly bitter about it leading the child into a life of Drug abuse similar to Jane.

Of course who knows where it goes,
 
I think Walt goes on a suicide mission, then uses the ricin to kill himself instead of going into hiding or turning himself in.

He probably gets the money, gives it to Skylar and Marie, gives it to them then kills himself. I mean he's close to dying anyway with the cancer, he wouldn't want to go live in the woods again by himself. I think him asking the Vacuum Cleaner and telling him "one of these days you'll come back here and I'll be dead". Once the guy gave him the answer he wanted, I think that pretty much made Walt's mind clear he's not going to die alone in isolation, but go out swinging or on his own terms with the ricin.
 
If Walt doesn't kill himself, it'll be Jesse or Skylar that ends him.

There is no happy ending for Walt, and going to jail and losing everything would be a terrible cop out.

One of the most complex characters of all time is going out with a bang.

Only way I could see them pulling off him going to jail, is if it's a scene of him dying in a jail cell alone. But with the buildup they've done, it looks more like Walt is going to just go on a suicide mission.
 
The latest opens the door (a tiny crack) to Jesse and Walt going after the Nazis together.

I am going to say that they team up and take out the Nazis and Walt dies in the process (possibly saving Jesse). It will flash to the future and show Jesse figuring out a way to get Walt's money to his family and figuring out a way to take care of the kid.
 
zitothebrave said:
Spoilers below.

I like how Walt changes. Cranston cannot get enough credit for that.

As far as the family thing goes 50, I think that mainly has to do with what his original intention was. Make enough money so that his family would get by. Then the ego kicks in and as he gets more and more indestructible the ego grew.

My guess what may go for the ending is for Walt to go and take down the Neo Nazis. And he succeeds/ I'm guessing that Lydia hires someone to help him take care of them, she seems none too pleased with the risks they're taking and probably wants to keep Jesse for herself.

Nazis have been using all the info Walt gave them on Jesse to manipulate Jesse in a much crueler way than Walt ever would. I'm guessing this leads to Jesse having the gun on Walt. Skylar shoots Jesse Lydia shoots Skylar, Walt Jr. Shoots Lydia than kills himself, Walt is arrested and left without his family or his fortunes. Can't remember the baby's name but she gets raised by Marie and Marie is horribly bitter about it leading the child into a life of Drug abuse similar to Jane.

Of course who knows where it goes,
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I get the same vibe. What I decry is the segment of the fan base that somehow wants to see him "win." He's not an anti-hero. He's an effin' psychopath. Granted it's all fiction, but this guy's Hitler. Maybe he redeems himself. I don't know how he could plausibly get the money to Skylar and his family without the Feds knowing, but again, this is fiction.
 
Dalyn said:
The latest opens the door (a tiny crack) to Jesse and Walt going after the Nazis together.

I am going to say that they team up and take out the Nazis and Walt dies in the process (possibly saving Jesse). It will flash to the future and show Jesse figuring out a way to get Walt's money to his family and figuring out a way to take care of the kid.
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Plausible.
 
KeithLockhart said:
If Walt doesn't kill himself, it'll be Jesse or Skylar that ends him.

There is no happy ending for Walt, and going to jail and losing everything would be a terrible cop out.

One of the most complex characters of all time is going out with a bang.

Only way I could see them pulling off him going to jail, is if it's a scene of him dying in a jail cell alone. But with the buildup they've done, it looks more like Walt is going to just go on a suicide mission.
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What sadder ending is there than drugs leaving Walt to love a life in prison without his family and with his drug empire gone? All his work over previous 3 years left him with even less than he had before. I think Walt Jr. Dies for sure.
 
Jesse will pull a Walt and gas the Nazis out with phosphane gas like Walt did to Crazy 8 and Emilio way back in the pilot.

And Elliot and Gretchen at Gray Matter are going to somehow be connected to Lydia and Madrigal. Maybe Walt's sense of victory Gilligan talked about is outing them.

As for the ending, I still think it has to end with Jesse and Walt. That's always been the heart of the show.
 
50PoundHead said:
It isn't a moment of tragedy. Walt is a frickin' psychopath who has been using this "family" excuse to play out a lot of pent up crap (business failure, cancer, etc.). It's just shallow justification. I've watched most of the show, especially the last couple of seasons, and Walt's "family" schtick is the thing that has bothered me the most about the show. I hear the "it's all about the family" crap coming out of just about every right-wing outfit these days and I hope Gilligan's take on this is one of cultural critique and that Walt should be seen as what he is, which is a psychopath.

Don't get me wrong. It's a good show. The cast--especially Cranston, Gunn, and Paul--deserve every accolade they've received. I've been a Bob Odenkirk fan for 20 years and he's shown me a ton.

It's fiction, so the whole implausibility angle doesn't bother me. It's been a well-told tale.

As for Walt, I hope Skylar puts a bullet into his forehead.
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I think you missed my point.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Jesse will pull a Walt and gas the Nazis out with phosphane gas like Walt did to Crazy 8 and Emilio way back in the pilot.

And Elliot and Gretchen at Gray Matter are going to somehow be connected to Lydia and Madrigal. Maybe Walt's sense of victory Gilligan talked about is outing them.

As for the ending, I still think it has to end with Jesse and Walt. That's always been the heart of the show.
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Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Todd always gears up so he wouldn't be effected. I think Walter makes the raid and Jesse gets his hands on a gun at some point. Question is, who goes with Walt? My money is that something goes nuclear. Though as someone pointed out, Lydia manages to constantly escape **** she shouldn't.
 
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