They hate us because we bomb them.....

sturg33 said:
Let's see - muslims killed by American outnumbers Americans killed by muslims at nearly 100,000 to 1.

So by thethe's logic - we must REALLY hate them because of their religion!
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We killed 900 million Muslims? Which country did we nuke to kill that many, Indonesia, Egypt and Iran, parts of Nigeria?

That's news to me.
 
Radicals deliberately target defenseless civilians. If you believe that we target the same way then there is no hope for you. They are animals and nothing can be done to come to peace with them. Our only hope is to show the moderate Muslim world that we are the better option.
 
The every day Moderate Muslims are to afraid to speak up.

Not to get off topic but are moderate Muslims over there equivalent to well to do African Americans in this country? They can come out and speak up about how Thier brothers are making stupid decisions, need self respect and need to be accountable for Thier actions yet neither moderate Muslims in the Middle East or Black leaders in this country take that step. Why is that? They both have no problem calling out and demonizing the white/western culture for its faults but they can't look at Thier own?
 
They are too afraid which is sad because they are protecting the wrong people.

But again, the ONLY reason they do this is because we bomb them.
 
thethe said:
Radicals deliberately target defenseless civilians. If you believe that we target the same way then there is no hope for you. They are animals and nothing can be done to come to peace with them. Our only hope is to show the moderate Muslim world that we are the better option.
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Who has killed more innocent people?
 
thethe said:
Way to understand the point.
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If killing innocent people is what makes you an "animal" then I think you should look at things a bit differently.

Who cares if they are targeted or not? Dead is dead and I know it doesn't make a damn bit of difference to the families.
 
Krgrecw said:
The every day Moderate Muslims are to afraid to speak up.

Not to get off topic but are moderate Muslims over there equivalent to well to do African Americans in this country? They can come out and speak up about how Thier brothers are making stupid decisions, need self respect and need to be accountable for Thier actions yet neither moderate Muslims in the Middle East or Black leaders in this country take that step. Why is that? They both have no problem calling out and demonizing the white/western culture for its faults but they can't look at Thier own?
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That's ridiculous. By that logic moderate white people are quite cause all you see are bat**** insane republicans and democrats in media representation. Moderation doesn't sell.
 
Krgrecw said:
The every day Moderate Muslims are to afraid to speak up.

Not to get off topic but are moderate Muslims over there equivalent to well to do African Americans in this country? They can come out and speak up about how Thier brothers are making stupid decisions, need self respect and need to be accountable for Thier actions yet neither moderate Muslims in the Middle East or Black leaders in this country take that step. Why is that? They both have no problem calling out and demonizing the white/western culture for its faults but they can't look at Thier own?
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No, it is call being "Black-listed". I demonize our own but in retaliation, I lose friends, cohorts and such. A lot of Uncle Tom's are not welcome in the black community because we don't keep it "real".

For Muslims, they could be killed. I know my best friend growing up, convert to Islam, we got into an argument and he said that if he weren't my friend he would kill me for blaspheming their religion and way of life. Of course he went down the Christian road and I said it doesn't bother me one bit. Then I turned it around on him again and say "Why you wish to kill me, but yet you dog Christians and it doesn't even faze me?"

He said that under Islam you defend it no matter what to the point of death only those who are rational will not go down the road TOTALLY. I just rolled my eyes.

Until you get that stigma out of that religion, we will have problems.
 
We contribute to the pipeline of radicals--somehow--here in Minnesota. There are quite a few young Somali Muslims who head back after growing up in Minneapolis and a number of them are joining up with the terrorist cells. FBI has been all over it (it shut down the funneling of money to terrorist cells a few years back). The local Somali leader was on CBS news last night and he was pretty firm in his criticism of the young men who head over there to join up with the terrorist cells.

I think it's going to take at least a couple of generations for this to die down. American history is full of examples of how difficult it is for some cultures to integrate into society. Let's remember how it took the Irish almost a century before they were fully accepted (through no fault of their own). Probably a higher hurdle here (and I likely won't see it in my lifetime) because of race and religion. It is important to note on the religious angle that the anti-Catholic venom poured out upon the Irish was really vile.

This is what happens when secular government and pluralism are not accepted and respected. For all of this nation's foibles (and we have them), we've managed to dodge that bullet.
 
This site has/had potential but honestly TOMA is just an immature idiot who will probably ruin it.

I already find myself checking the site less since he started posting.

Of course if 45 year olds who think they are still in High School is your thing....then I'm sure you will love TOMA. Some of us have grown up, obviously TOMA hasn't, no matter how many kids he has had, businesses he started or how far he has moved....he is still a giant moron.
 
BRule said:
This site has/had potential but honestly TOMA is just an immature idiot who will probably ruin it.

I already find myself checking the site less since he started posting.

Of course if 45 year olds who think they are still in High School is your thing....then I'm sure you will love TOMA. Some of us have grown up, obviously TOMA hasn't, no matter how many kids he has had, businesses he started or how far he has moved....he is still a giant moron.
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You see, we do agree on something. :eusa_dance:
 
50PoundHead said:
We contribute to the pipeline of radicals--somehow--here in Minnesota. There are quite a few young Somali Muslims who head back after growing up in Minneapolis and a number of them are joining up with the terrorist cells. FBI has been all over it (it shut down the funneling of money to terrorist cells a few years back). The local Somali leader was on CBS news last night and he was pretty firm in his criticism of the young men who head over there to join up with the terrorist cells.

I think it's going to take at least a couple of generations for this to die down. American history is full of examples of how difficult it is for some cultures to integrate into society. Let's remember how it took the Irish almost a century before they were fully accepted (through no fault of their own). Probably a higher hurdle here (and I likely won't see it in my lifetime) because of race and religion. It is important to note on the religious angle that the anti-Catholic venom poured out upon the Irish was really vile.

This is what happens when secular government and pluralism are not accepted and respected. For all of this nation's foibles (and we have them), we've managed to dodge that bullet.
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They are inching this way as well. We are on the Chicago to Minneapolis corridor.
 
BRule said:
This site has/had potential but honestly TOMA is just an immature idiot who will probably ruin it.

I already find myself checking the site less since he started posting.

Of course if 45 year olds who think they are still in High School is your thing....then I'm sure you will love TOMA. Some of us have grown up, obviously TOMA hasn't, no matter how many kids he has had, businesses he started or how far he has moved....he is still a giant moron.
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yep
 
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