Around the League: 2017 offseason edition / 2018 Season

nsacpi said:
not good that our efforts so far are focused on finding takers for Adams and Muk...there is a glut of players with their skill sets
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Just depends on what they are trying to do.

Adams is pretty low stakes. They can non-tender him if they can't move him. Makes sense to see if there is maybe a deal that brings back a low level prospect or someone's else's surplus.

Markakis is expiring so I see those stakes as low also since I am writing off any real importance of playing well in 2018.

I would prefer not to have Acuna on the opening day roster. I'd prefer not to have long term deals coming out of this free agent class.
 
clvclv said:
Not making excuses by any means, but that's what happens when you have back/neck/shoulder surgeries and can't work out - pretty comical that folks have *itched at Markakis providing league-average offense given his problems.
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I think this speaks to exactly what folks were complaining about: Markakis was a sketch investment in part for that reason. I, for one, don't blame Markakis for his averageness (I've been a fan of his since he entered the league, in fact); I blame the FO for thinking his likely-best-case averageness (aging into his thirties, coming off back issues) was what the team needed at the point they signed him.

But, hey, those guys are gone now.
 
jpx7 said:
I think this speaks to exactly what folks were complaining about: Markakis was a sketch investment in part for that reason. I, for one, don't blame Markakis for his averageness (I've been a fan of his since he entered the league, in fact); I blame the FO for thinking his likely-best-case averageness (aging into his thirties, coming off back issues) was what the team needed at the point they signed him.

But, hey, those guys are gone now.
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Do NOT inject well reasoned logic into these discussions.
 
Carp said:
But you'd likely have to pay more forbguys like that on the open market.
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MAdams is going to be non-tendered because he isn’t worth $4.6M, and then will sign for less.

The Braves will have to eat money to trade Markakis because he isn’t worth $11M.

So no, teams would not have to pay more for similar FAs.
 
I think Adams gets the same or more to be an everyday 1b somewhere. He wouldn't be a starter for us and we can't afford 5 million to a backup 1b. If he could field another position competently, we would keep him.

Nick you are probably right on, though I do wonder how guys like Melky and CarGo will do the FA front. Their probably the closest comparable to age overall value on the FA market.
 
Carp said:
I think Adams gets the same or more to be an everyday 1b somewhere. He wouldn't be a starter for us and we can't afford 5 million to a backup 1b. If he could field another position competently, we would keep him.

Nick you are probably right on, though I do wonder how guys like Melky and CarGo will do the FA front. Their probably the closest comparable to age overall value on the FA market.
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Jim Johnson and Sean Rodriguez were $5 million dollar players.
 
Carp said:
I think Adams gets the same or more to be an everyday 1b somewhere. He wouldn't be a starter for us and we can't afford 5 million to a backup 1b. If he could field another position competently, we would keep him.

Nick you are probably right on, though I do wonder how guys like Melky and CarGo will do the FA front. Their probably the closest comparable to age overall value on the FA market.
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If MAdams is worth $5M the Braves will be able to trade him by Friday. If he is non-tendered that means no team thought he was worth that much.

Pretty simple.
 
Enscheff said:
If MAdams is worth $5M the Braves will be able to trade him by Friday. If he is non-tendered that means no team thought he was worth that much.

Pretty simple.
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If he signs for less than 5 million after being non-tendered it will be a pretty good sign the market doesn't think he is worth that much.

If no one trades for him, it would be a pretty good sign no one thought it was worth the acquisition cost plus his estimated arbitration contract.
 
Southcack77 said:
If he signs for less than 5 million after being non-tendered it will be a pretty good sign the market doesn't think he is worth that much.

If no one trades for him, it is a pretty good sign no one thought it was worth the acquisition cost plus his estimated arbitration contract.
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So you think some organizational filler worth approximately nothing is in any way relevant here?

If MAdams is non-tendered that means no team thought he was worth $5M. You can keep questioning it though, and then when he signs for $3M you’ll still argue about it.
 
Enscheff said:
So you think some organizational filler worth approximately nothing is in any way relevant here?

If MAdams is non-tendered that means no team thought he was worth $5M. You can keep questioning it though, and then when he signs for $3M you’ll still argue about it.
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If he is non-tendered and signs for 3 million, I would say that 3 million is his fair market value and wouldn't argue with it because I know what words mean.
 
Southcack77 said:
I'm curious what it is you think is going to happen.

And then what it is you think that will show I'm wrong about.

I don't recall making a prediction.
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Of course you didn't. You never do.

Like always, all you did was say I'm wrong when I conclude MAdams has zero trade value and isn't worth $5M (which I've been saying since he was acquired). You claim the fact he is about to be non-tendered isn't proof of his value until he is actually signed.

All you do is be contrarian, never contributing conclusions of your own.
 
Enscheff said:
Of course you didn't. You never do.

Like always, all you did was say I'm wrong when I conclude MAdams has zero trade value and isn't worth $5M (which I've been saying since he was acquired). You claim the fact he is about to be non-tendered isn't proof of his value until he is actually signed.

All you do is be contrarian, never contributing conclusions of your own.
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I did not say you were wrong that Matt Adams has zero trade value or that Matt Adams is not worth $5 million dollars.

I do think that his fair market value is determined by the value he gets assigned on the fair market rather than the mere fact that he is non-tendered. It may well be and probably will be less than $5 million. He's more limited than Sean Rodriguez in what he can do for you.
 
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