JJ traded

Enscheff said:
The last few trades the Braves have made involving the MLB roster have been pure salary dumps (Jaime Garcia, SRod, JJ, and soon MAdams). This JJ trade stinks of desperation to cut payroll.

That is the upsetting part. The whole point of moving into a new stadium was to generate more revenue that could be pumped into the team. We are seeing exactly the opposite.
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I'm willing, for now, not to view this trade as in-continuum with those "last few trades" but purely in the context of the new regime; so, for now, I'm going to refrain from smelling any "desperation to cut payroll" and see what Anthopolous et al do with the cash and 40-man slot.

Non-tendering Adams, for now, won't effect that view, either—the latter move seeming a pretty obvious step for a team that doesn't need what Adams brings to the table, and from the standpoint of a market (as you yourself have effectively argued) that is unlikely to bear much fruit even if Adams were tendered-to-be-traded.
 
One thing to also consider is that with us trading international pool money and our limitations on signing international players is that we have lost almost all leverage with trading that money. Other teams know we basically cannot use it very effectively so it makes it easier for them to 'win the trade'.
 
When did Johnson become a great bounce back candidate on a fair deal instead of the sucky overpaid reliever that played last year? Johnson had no trade value or he would have been gone last season.

No doubt trading JJ was a salary dump but who cares. Maybe they will take the money saved from getting rid of JJ and Adams and make a move to shore up 3rd base. Looks like enough has been saved to sign Frazier.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I am not seeing this as a loss. it is a win for the Angels for sure, but the Braves are just dumping the money they can't use anyway and clearing salary, while making room for the younger relievers, opening a roster spot and trading a guy early enough in the off season to accomplish other goals the team might have. .. It will be disappointing if this is a move that was made without it connecting to another dot though.
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This is where I disagree. I don't disagree that it's money we can't use, I disagree with the sentiment that it's not something of value just because we can't use it. If you own a classic muscle car in pristine condition but have no idea how to drive a stick, the car isn't worthless just because you can't use it.

I have no problem dumping JJ. I have no problem with trading the international money we can't use. I just don't think we got great value for our international money.

Johnson for the organizational filler reliever is fine. With us sending the international money, we should have gotten at least someone with a legitimate shot to one day make a major league roster.
 
JxnMissFan said:
When did Johnson become a great bounce back candidate on a fair deal instead of the sucky overpaid reliever that played last year? Johnson had no trade value or he would have been gone last season.

No doubt trading JJ was a salary dump but who cares. Maybe they will take the money saved from getting rid of JJ and Adams and make a move to shore up 3rd base. Looks like enough has been saved to sign Frazier.
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Johnson's ERA was higher than his peripherals supported. His ERA was a terrible 5.56 but his FIP was a more respectable 4.22. He K'd 9.69/9 while walking 3.97/9. Fangraphs has his steamer projection for next year of an ERA of 3.91.
 
I am pretty sure AA had done enough shopping around to have a pretty good idea of the value of that pool money, JJ, and the guy he got in return.

We can speculate about what he might have gotten, but I'll bet he knew exactly what he could have gotten elsewhere on the market.
 
mfree80 said:
I am pretty sure AA had done enough shopping around to have a pretty good idea of the value of that pool money, JJ, and the guy he got in return.

We can speculate about what he might have gotten, but I'll bet he knew exactly what he could have gotten elsewhere on the market.
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Right, and he probably chose between salary relief and...something else.

The fact he chose salary relief is probably telling.
 
JxnMissFan said:
When did Johnson become a great bounce back candidate on a fair deal instead of the sucky overpaid reliever that played last year? Johnson had no trade value or he would have been gone last season.

No doubt trading JJ was a salary dump but who cares. Maybe they will take the money saved from getting rid of JJ and Adams and make a move to shore up 3rd base. Looks like enough has been saved to sign Frazier.
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Exactly my thoughts. If you're looking for a righty who can go out there and blow late-game leads for you, I can get the job done and will gladly take the minimum
 
JxnMissFan said:
When did Johnson become a great bounce back candidate on a fair deal instead of the sucky overpaid reliever that played last year? Johnson had no trade value or he would have been gone last season.

No doubt trading JJ was a salary dump but who cares. Maybe they will take the money saved from getting rid of JJ and Adams and make a move to shore up 3rd base. Looks like enough has been saved to sign Frazier.
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Coppy in his last interview as GM predicted that JJ would have a yuge bounceback season in 2018. That's good enough for me.
 
This is just a procedural move. The best thing that could come from this trade is it helps the Angels land Ohtani and he goes to the AL.
 
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